Phil, I tried wording it as “loosely” as possible because this forum (im sure) doesn’t want to dive in to the nitty gritty details of power quality….I mean, I’d rather discuss big turbos and 1/4 mile times than sine waves and quality of wiring and systems hehe. However, “let’s make every car an EV by 2030” is absolutely ridiculous and damn near impossible to own and operate in the US.
Yea I thought thats what the issue was. Here's a fun fact. To achieve what all the "green people" want, IE the world converted to electric, so wind turbines, solar panels, electric cars etc requires a 400% increase in the production of copper alone. Currently it takes 17 years to get a copper mine from concept to delivering the first ton of ore and the clowns that want the full electric world are also the same clowns that want mining to cease. Well good luck with the electrification of the world by renewables. Thats of course only the Copper issue the production of other minerals such as Lithium also need ramping up by as much as 200% so you see where this is going.
Why can’t you guys do the government research or journalism? Either y’all are conspiracy theorist (what you’re called if we don’t understand or like your answers) or just old dinosaurs that don’t want change. That’s the typical response I get when I ask on the car magazine forums/comment sections.
?). Partly because this information isn’t being shared anywhere on a larger public scale. Why is this happening? Used to be you could have honest debate and figure things out. It isn’t just cars. And ofc I won’t even go there ? I’d love to see you guys doing some articles on MotorTrend, Car & Driver or Road & Track. It’d be great to hear a wider point of view.That’s fantastic news ? And sure beats walking! Here in the US everything is so damn spread out, public transit isn’t a reality for rural Americans. Fan of nuclear
or not, I don’t see any other way of producing that kind of power. Japan ?? has adapted far quicker than we have. Side bonus: home prices should be cheaper near these things ?. fired up and fast 
Oh, and a lot more minerals like @lucky phil said!!
Just to be clear, im not “anti-EV.” Electric motors are hands down way more efficient than a gasoline or diesel engine….there is no argument. The problem is and has always been refueling and availability. Remember, Tesla’s are not that old….they’ve only been on the roads since 2012 and it wasn’t until the model 3 in 2016 that mass production really took off….that’s 7yrs ago, we still don’t really know their long term impacts on the US grid. As Phil mentioned, the time, money, and effort it would take to re-equip/update the electrical grid in the US to handle higher loads is astronomical. I get the need to go cleaner, but I feel like we are too much in a reactive state of mind instead of proactive. Putting a deadline on something that we are not prepared for is flat out wrong. There is so much involved into electrical systems that the majority of people don’t understand. For example, imagine buying a $70k EV only to see it catch fire because the charging station you left it plugged into wasn’t installed, setup, or maintained to handle the load? Who would be able to prove what happened?…and yes, it’s been happening. The government is pouring billions into companies to expedite this process and those companies are not saying “no we can’t do it.” It’s money, who says no to money right? Engineers have known this for decades, and it’s the reason gas cars have dominated for decades. So, all this propaganda about how oil companies destroyed the electric car is crap….it was the unrealistic ventures of electric cars that made gas cars even more popular. Anyhow, hopefully we all come to a happy median.Why can’t you guys do the government research or journalism? Either y’all are conspiracy theorist (what you’re called if we don’t understand or like your answers) or just old dinosaurs that don’t want change. That’s the typical response I get when I ask on the car magazine forums/comment sections.
I obviously know way less than you guys (in all seriousness and respect
While watching F1 yesterday, Sky network asked Mercedes what they were doing to promote the zero carbon emission green effort. They said they were asking everyone at Monza to walk to the event ? I kid you not! I was expecting them to say “buy our Mercedes zero emission cars”, or something worthy of keeping them in business. You’d think?!?! So is this where we’re really going? Guess Europe is also along for the 2030 (deadline) zero emission ride ?
So that’s my dumb point with this thread - death of ICE cars. When can we realistically get there and what’s cost? There needs to be healthy debate and more transparency. From all sides ? Beats asking the Bing chat AI ?
That’s fantastic news ? And sure beats walking! Here in the US everything is so damn spread out, public transit isn’t a reality for rural Americans. Fan of nuclear
Don’t know. How we’ll solve the electricity flux problem the smart peeps in the room are talking about. But we’re going to need a lot more of these
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I’m with ya. They are fun as shit and fast ? Can we get to 50% by 2030? Maybe… at what cost? That I don’t know either. It’d be nice to see more info on that front. Hence nuclear
power to do it quickly (if they can even be built that fast) or… do without? Rolling blackouts? Like Germany, some areas in CA and TX. Or like they seriously suggested at the Monza Grand Prix - walk. If anyone else watched the pre-race commentary on Sky, they had a whole segment on it. I agree we can do more. Carpool where you can or use trains if you live in Europe or large US cities. However, the rest of America will be screwed and/or bankrupt -if we try to meet such a massive deadline. Just my silly opinion ofc. [I’d like to see less spending right now given our current inflation. Figure out what you can afford before you commit] - pipe dream, but since we’re all talking nicely ?
Feels like there are less sheep ? talking to y’all and maybe even some hope ?
Damn I was really hoping we’d have a “nuclear” option. But if hybrid or hydrogen can do it, I’m all in ?
I meant nuclear generator stations, not nuclear powered cars. Lol.
