Racing schools

[AndyK5]

I miss buttonwillow. I do not miss summer there though. I remember my tires sticking to the pavement there in the paddocks in the summer.

Lots of memories there...

Good

and bad... lol

Come back and visit brother

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[garudathree]

You pick your coach. I believe you either upload your video or link to youtube.

@garudathree has used them and has good things to say.

I used blayze, coach Colin (GT4 champ) helped me knock .8 seconds off in sims in a single IRL video review (i typically see 1.2:1 improvement in sims vs IRL, note it's delta in PBs, not total laptime), but I haven't had a dry day to put down times yet.

video i sent in for review (you want to send in your best representative lap, not pb), he coached me through each corner where i had skill issues.



https://blayze.io/coach/colin-mullan

i've only met a handful of DE instructors who could drive their cars to the limit, let alone pass on those skills.

 

[kyle9]

I used blayze, coach Colin (GT4 champ) helped me knock .8 seconds off in sims in a single IRL video review (i typically see 1.2:1 improvement in sims vs IRL, note it's delta in PBs, not total laptime), but I haven't had a dry day to put down times yet.

video i sent in for review (you want to send in your best representative lap, not pb), he coached me through each corner where i had skill issues.



https://blayze.io/coach/colin-mullan

i've only met a handful of DE instructors who could drive their cars to the limit, let alone pass on those skills.

What sim and car are you using to practice?

 

[garudathree]

What sim and car are you using to practice?

quality of the track model really matters more IMO, and you can usually setup a generic RWD GT car in most sims to have comparable relative behavior to your IRL build.

i'm currently using rFactor2 for LRP, as i find the curbing and camber scans seem to be more accurate (and realistically unforgiving) vs iRacing's, and the tire model to be more "realistic" in terms of punishment from overdriving. they also happen to have a supra model that behaves like ours with a few gearing/power/suspension/downforce adjustments:

https://forum.studio-397.com/index.php?threads/toyota-gr-supra-gt4-2023.73769/

 

[Rocksandblues]

Got invited today to race school in Dec. Perelli race team wants me to go with them. Would rent me a caged e46 w option to sell it to me
Ugh. So tempted

 

[AndyK5]

Got invited today to race school in Dec. Perelli race team wants me to go with them. Would rent me a caged e46 w option to sell it to me
Ugh. So tempted

dew it!

 

[tomfree]

Ah, yes I meant actual racing schools. I have 40+ track days under my belt and can't seem to get any faster anymore. I've had some in car instruction both free and paid and I did not get much out of it. I am looking for things like picking a specific section of the track to set up a pass or figure out the fastest way around a corner I have never seen before, judging both the camber, severity and the length of the straight right after it.




I have heard this as well, not sure where. It is a lot of money to be spent if its not good....we are talking like $7k.

Obviously, this thread has matured a lot, but I think you want a "coach" to spend a weekend with you, especially if you get motion sick in the right seat. If the org will allow it, lead-follow sessions will help to reinforce the in-car sessions.

 

[tomfree]

Instructors are very very very hit or miss.

I've seen more instructors more concerned with their ego than your driving. Ironically, they are usually the slowest drivers at track days and then complain if you drive fast.

Yup, agreed...and I used to be an instructor. When I felt a student was progressing beyond where I could help them, I had a couple of "go to" instructors that I'd push them to, if scheduling allowed.

Bad instructor story...I was an intermediate student in my old RX-8 at Summit Pt. My instructor introduced himself and told me first thing he was the lead instructor at the local BMWCCA chapter. In that moment "Great...he knows his stuff." I ran 2 sessions with him, and he corrected me and criticized me NON-STOP. As students will do with too much input, I got self conscious and started making mistakes. He got out of the car and told the event steward I was unsafe.

They assigned me another instructor for the remaining sessions, and he got in the car, told me to "take it easy." After a couple of laps, "I don't know what the hell that other guy was talking about - you're fine. Go chase that car in front of us down..."

Take away - The right instructor/coach/mentor makes your weekend.

 

[razorlab]

Yup, agreed...and I used to be an instructor. When I felt a student was progressing beyond where I could help them, I had a couple of "go to" instructors that I'd push them to, if scheduling allowed.

Bad instructor story...I was an intermediate student in my old RX-8 at Summit Pt. My instructor introduced himself and told me first thing he was the lead instructor at the local BMWCCA chapter. In that moment "Great...he knows his stuff." I ran 2 sessions with him, and he corrected me and criticized me NON-STOP. As students will do with too much input, I got self conscious and started making mistakes. He got out of the car and told the event steward I was unsafe.

They assigned me another instructor for the remaining sessions, and he got in the car, told me to "take it easy." After a couple of laps, "I don't know what the hell that other guy was talking about - you're fine. Go chase that car in front of us down..."

Take away - The right instructor/coach/mentor makes your weekend.

Hhaha yup. I have many stories and I too used to be an instructor.

I had an instructor years ago non stop complain about the speed I was carrying through the corners. Told me to pit after the second lap and then literally screamed at me about how I was driving too fast for the car. When I asked him what he meant, he said, "just get in my car and watch."

Turns out he had a car with much more power than mine, I rode with him, it was probably the most reserved lap I have ever seen from someone with "years of experience". He also said NOTHING for the laps he took me out on. I was like wtf am I supposed to learn from this. After a couple laps, we pitted and I thanked him (for nothing) and then said I was curious what his PB was at the track. Turns out he was four seconds slower than me. I was like dude, get the F out of here.

So basically he belittled me, taught me nothing, and it turns out he was slow as f.

 

[AndyK5]

Hhaha yup. I have many stories and I too used to be an instructor.

I had an instructor years ago non stop complain about the speed I was carrying through the corners. Told me to pit after the second lap and then literally screamed at me about how I was driving too fast for the car. When I asked him what he meant, he said, "just get in my car and watch."

Turns out he had a car with much more power than mine, I rode with him, it was probably the most reserved lap I have ever seen from someone with "years of experience". He also said NOTHING for the laps he took me out on. I was like wtf am I supposed to learn from this. After a couple laps, we pitted and I thanked him (for nothing) and then said I was curious what his PB was at the track. Turns out he was four seconds slower than me. I was like dude, get the F out of here.

So basically he belittled me, taught me nothing, and it turns out he was slow as f.

I think one more thing to consider is letting the instructor drive your car.

A friend of mine who races in superspec miata and podiums every race did a a session with me this weekend. I was complaining about understeer and overall lack of grip. I would understeer, oversteer, understeer all the in the same corner, swinging the steering wheel one side to the other to catch it. This is with traction 1 click off. He said I was coming in too fast that I need to brake harder and keep peek brake pressure on longer. I said if I did that I would slow down way too much, at the very least I would need to move my brake markers much deeper. He said markers are good. Anyways I tried to oblige and it did help a little a bit as I was scrubbing off too much speed while slip and sliding and we cut off the optimal about .6 seconds.

Next session I've let him drive the car and he was coming in to the corners just as fast as me and the car was behaving almost the same as mine. He agreed that the car was understeering a lot that Federal tires on 255/275 staggered and no proper camber on the front is possibly the reason. He also said the car has a lot more braking (hawk 60/30 endless fluid) capability than he thought and I can move markers deeper safely.

 

[AndyK5]

I used blayze, coach Colin (GT4 champ) helped me knock .8 seconds off in sims in a single IRL video review (i typically see 1.2:1 improvement in sims vs IRL, note it's delta in PBs, not total laptime), but I haven't had a dry day to put down times yet.

video i sent in for review (you want to send in your best representative lap, not pb), he coached me through each corner where i had skill issues.



https://blayze.io/coach/colin-mullan

i've only met a handful of DE instructors who could drive their cars to the limit, let alone pass on those skills.

How did you get the can bus data on the screen?

 

[garudathree]

it’s just OBDii

 

[razorlab]

How did you get the can bus data on the screen?

The Racechrono app does it if you record with the phone and log data via OBD2 via the phone.

If you do have separate data. Say... an AIM or RaceCapture device and record via a GoPro, the RaceRender app is good at merging the two and customizing the overlay: https://racerender.com/RR3/Features.html

I used RaceRender with this video. External dedicated camera + RaceCapture CAN + OBD2 datalogging

 

[AndyK5]

The Racechrono app does it if you record with the phone and log data via OBD2 via the phone.

If you do have separate data. Say... an AIM or RaceCapture device and record via a GoPro, the RaceRender app is good at merging the two and customizing the overlay: https://racerender.com/RR3/Features.html

I used RaceRender with this video. External dedicated camera + RaceCapture CAN + OBD2 datalogging

I wonder if this can be done with JB4 data.

 

[razorlab]

I wonder if this can be done with JB4 data.

You can export to a .csv right? If so, yes.

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