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Long time reader and wanted to give back to the community. I have a BMW z4 m40i that I occasionally track. I notice my stock brakes fading. The easiest answer was to switch out to more aggressive pads and higher temp fluid, but I disliked the idea of having to swap out pads between track and street driving. I wanted to find a middle of the road compromise that was friendly enough on the street yet capable on the track. This topic is not about the pros and cons of a BBK, but more so about what options you have in BMW’s catalog for “upgrades”.

The stock brake system is very capable, even though the z4 weighs in a couple hundred pounds more to the supra. During corner balancing, my car weighs in at ~3750lbs. I use the 374mm front rotors with EBC yellow pads which I find to be the perfect upgrade that performs well on the street and track.

Front brakes:
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To begin, the front M “sport” brakes come in 3 different sizes depending on the chassis. The brake calipers are stamped in the back that indicate piston count and size, and what size rotor it will fit on. For example, the stock brakes are labeled “4x40-44/348/36” and all variants are made by Brembo. The mounting holes measure 14mm apart center to center, and all interchangeably mount on the wheel hub (aka swivel bearing in BMW terms)

“4x”= 4 pistons

40-44= one piston is sized 40, the second piston is 44 (in mm?).

348/36= the rotor size it is compatible with (348mm diameter, 36mm thickness)
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BMW’s marketing lingo: M sport vs M performance. I hate how much BMW has diluted the use of M branding. If you’re like me, you didn’t realize there is a difference between “sport” and “performance”. These are not interchangeable terms without context. What is “performance” for one chassis, is “sport” for another. For example, the “M Performance” brake for the g20 3 series upgrades the front brakes to 374x36 rotors, but keeps the same exact rear brake caliper size as the “m sport” on the g20 cars. They just get painted red, come with dimpled rotors, and cost about 3k for the package. To make things more confusing is that these brakes are equivalent to the “M Sport” of the 5 series g30!

The “M performance” package for the g30, which upgrades the brakes to 395x36 rotors, is the same brakes on the “M sport” on the x5 g05 and x7 g07 SUV’s!

One thing to consider is that “M Performance” brakes are a dealer addon whereas “M Sport” is a factory configuration (S2NHA). Also note that US and euro models will have slightly different offerings, so this will mostly focus on US models.

Part numbers can vary for components that are technically the same. For example the brake caliper on G20 M performance brake package is painted “red” and is EXACTLY the same as the g30 M Sport but it’s painted blue- thus a different part number. The cost of the G20 m performance package is $$$ more compared to sourcing g30 m sport calipers.

Please consider that part numbers have been updated throughout time. There may be other newer/older part numbers that should be interchangeable.

The master cylinder is the same on all 3 series models for US Spec only. The z4 shares the same master cylinder as the 3 series, which I assume is the same for the supra. The brake servo/booster is bespoke to the z4/supra only. Since piston sizes are the same regardless of the caliper size, brake pedal feel should virtually be the same. If you live outside of the US, the master cylinder will need to be upgraded and BMW calls for it to be coded as well.



348x36

  • Caliper PN 34116891273 (L) 34116891274 (R)
  • Rotor PN 34116860911 (L) 34116860912 (R)
  • Found on G20 m sport package, g30 m sport package (not 540i or m550i), x3 g01 m sport package (euro only, not m40i)
374x36 (requires at least 18’’ wheels, 19’’ preferably- most 18’’s will not clear)

  • Caliper PN 34116891303 (L) 34116891304 (R)
  • Rotor PN 34116875283 (L) 34106875284 (R)
  • G20 M performance retrofit kit PN 34112450468 (increased front size, same rear size, painted red, dimpled rotors)
  • Found on g20 m performance package, g30 m sport (540 and m550i), g11 7 series and g12 8 series (not m850i) m sport, and x5 standard gray brakes.
395x36 (requires 19’’ wheels, 20’’ preferably- most 19’’s will not clear)

  • Caliper PN 34106891327, 34106891319 (L) 34106891328, 34106891320 (R)
  • Rotor PN 34116887397 (L) 34106887398 (R)
  • G30/G11/G12 M performance retrofit kit PN 34112289348 (increased front size, same rear size, painted red, dimpled rotors)
  • Found on m850, 7 series LCI, x5 and x7 M sport. There are different part numbers for the cars vs the SUV’s, but I believe these should all fit regardless.
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The rears are a little tricky. Factory M sport brakes for the z4/supra/g20 use a 345mmx24 rotor. The caliper is manufactured by Mando. For most other chassis models, they will also use a 345x24 rotor, but use TRW as the manufacturer. Piston size is exactly the same. While these are MOSTLY interchangeable, there are two key differences.


The TRW caliper body can accommodate both a 345x24 AND a 370x24 rotor. The only change is the caliper carrier bracket to accommodate larger pads and rotors. While the piston sizes are the same between the Mando and TRW caliper, the Mando caliper ONLY fits a 345mm rotor and cannot simply benefit from a caliper bracket change like the TRW’s can. Having spec’ed with Mando calipers, you will need to upgrade to any TRW caliper body, but with caliper carrier brackets spec’ed for 370mm rotors.

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Additionally, the ebrake motors are physically different. While the mounting holes for the motor onto the caliper body are the same, the mating surface is completely different. The motors themselves cannot be swapped between a Mando and TRW caliper. This makes things a little tricky because the plug bodies are keyed differently. The supra/z4 uses a blue male plug, and TRW caliper will use a white male plug. The outer plug housing is the same “D” shape. Fortunately, they are pinned exactly the same and labeled accordingly (male and female plug will be labeled with a “1” and “2”) In order to maintain the factory use of the ebrake, you will need to modify the female plug housing of the ebrake motor. This can be achieved by heating up a flat head screw driver, and “melting” off the keyed slots of the female plug housing in the ebrake motor. Even after modifying the ebrake housing, the plugs will still clip into eachother so there is no issue with the plug coming off.
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see the black "slots" in the plug housing that need to be melted/grinded off.

Caliper carrier brackets measure 9mm between the center of the mounting holes.
Similar to the fronts, the rears are also stamped with sizes.

Supra/z4/g20: MANDO 330 BMW 44 345-24

Other models: TRW XXXXXX BMW 44/24 345-370

44 = piston size (mm?)

345-24= rotor size 345 diameter, 24 width.

345-370/24= interchangeable between 345 and 370mm rotor size, 24 width.

The other numbers are just part numbers, I believe. Google searching those other stamped numbers yields no results.​

The TRW calipers come in unpainted, blue, and red variants. Since caliper body is the same, and you only need to change the caliper bracket. The following part numbers are what you’ll need.

ANY TRW caliper body (again, part numbers vary due to it being colored, but they are otherwise the same exact caliper). These can be found on all 5,6,7,8 and SUV G series models.

  • 370mm carrier bracket unpainted 34206871661, blue 34206883005 (L) unpainted 34206871662, blue 34206883006 (R)
  • 370x24 rotor 34206896673 (L) 34206896674 (R)
  • Vehicles spec’ed with the 370mm rear rotor from factory are g30 msport LCI models (2020 and later), g10/g11, x5/6/7.
Otherwise, no other modifications needed! Everything bolts on and stock dust shields fit without modification. In regards to the actual M brakes, I've been told everything should also bolt up with the exception of the rotor set screw- this does not line up. This is not an integral part, as its there just to hold the rotor when removing the wheel.
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Nice post.

I posted about the front calipers awhile back but I never went forward with them as there are no good (track) brake pads available for the 374 and 395 calipers. Which defeated the purpose for me.

You can find the larger calipers in silver (unpainted) for really cheap. I bought a 374 silver caliper to test fit for $150!
 
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Nice post.

I posted about the front calipers awhile back but I never went forward with them as there are no good brake pads available for the 374 and 395 calipers. Which defeated the purpose for me.

You can find the larger calipers in silver (unpainted) for really cheap. I bought a 374 silver caliper to test fit for $150!
Agreed, as you jump up in sizes you severely limit yourself to brake options. I've only been able to readily find EBC options (red, yellow, and blue) for 374 and 395mm brake setups. Rotors are even more difficult to source and haven't seen any aftermarket two piece rotor options readily available.

This is a good option for those that want to increase heat capacity which somewhat negates the need for more aggressive pads/fluid and stay more OEM. As you mentioned, these brake components can also be found pretty cheap.
 

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Agreed, as you jump up in sizes you severely limit yourself to brake options. I've only been able to readily find EBC options (red, yellow, and blue) for 374 and 395mm brake setups. Rotors are even more difficult to source and haven't seen any aftermarket two piece rotor options readily available.

This is a good option for those that want to increase heat capacity which somewhat negates the need for more aggressive pads/fluid and stay more OEM. As you mentioned, these brake components can also be found pretty cheap.
Yea for street and occasional track use those might be okay depending on the pace of the driver. I have long out grown those pads.

If some more track pad options come out for those caliper sizes I'll take another look.

Check out the actual M 395 rotors. The Supra that has been spyed testing is using the 395 caliper with M 395 2 piece rotors. Rear M rotors as well.

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Yea for street and occasional track use those might be okay depending on the pace of the driver. I have long out grown those pads.

If some more track pad options come out for those caliper sizes I'll take another look.

Check out the actual M 395 rotors. The Supra that has been spyed testing is using the 395 caliper with M 395 2 piece rotors. Rear M rotors as well.

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Woah, this is an interesting setup. If this ever came about, I’m sure it would open more aftermarket options. What’s interesting in the front setup is

1) they managed to find a wheel where the spokes cleared
2) the used an m sport caliper rather than a true “m” caliper
3) I believe the m brakes all bolt on, but specifically the rotor set screw wont be able to mount (to my understanding). So this part is either bespoke, or they just don’t have the set screw installed.

I’m surprised to see that the M cars don’t have different rear calipers vs the non-M cars. I’m not sure if this is cost savings, or a testament to its braking ability. At least the m8 uses a 380-395mm TRW rear brake caliper.
 

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2) the used an m sport caliper rather than a true “m” caliper
Probably because the true G-series full-fat M calipers don't bolt on to the hub, both are a totally different design, and you need 20" wheels. I have seen G series M2/3/4 run 18" wheels but it could also be their hub design, or ?

However, I found that the F95 X5M and F96 X6M have special brackets compared to M2/3/4 because of hub differences and these bolt directly onto our hubs.

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Someone just posted this on the g29 z4 group. Looks like m4 brakes with 19” oem wheels. Pretty trick setup. Apparently off an m4 according to the German-English translator.

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18's are possible with the M brake calipers. M2/M3/M4 X5M,X6M all have the same calipers. The X5M/X6M have the brake caliper adapters we need to bolt straight onto the Supra/M240i/M340i/etc. The issue is that the caliper mount adapter is not sold separate as far as I have been able to tell.

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@Z4m40i

Did some more research with the full fat M six piston calipers. On the M G8X the rotors are 380mm and fit under 18" wheels. The base G8X comes with 18's in the front.

The M G8X use the same calipers as the 400,395,380mm rotor sizes. 400mm are ceramic brakes on the M5, 395mm are the normal rotors on M5,M8,X5M,X6M. The M2/3/4 use the 380mm rotors unless they have the ceramic package which use 395mm.

The OEM adapters that fit onto our hubs are used on the X5M and X6M, unfortunatly those are for 395mm rotors, which will not fit under 18" wheels.

HOWEVER, I found a company that makes adapters for the 380mm rotors! I have a set enroute and a bought a damaged G8X caliper for test fitting purposes. I'll do a full write up after I get everything.

Advantage to this compared to what you did with the non M g-series 374mm rotor and caliper upgrade is that there are MUCH more pad options for the full-fat M calipers.

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HOWEVER, I found a company that makes adapters for the 380mm rotors! I have a set enroute and a bought a damaged G8X caliper for test fitting purposes. I'll do a full write up after I get everything.
You may wish to start a new thread to cover that, but post a link to it here so those of us with notifications turned on for this one will see it.

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@Z4m40i

Did some more research with the full fat M six piston calipers. On the M G8X the rotors are 380mm and fit under 18" wheels. The base G8X comes with 18's in the front.

The M G8X use the same calipers as the 400,395,380mm rotor sizes. 400mm are ceramic brakes on the M5, 395mm are the normal rotors on M5,M8,X5M,X6M. The M2/3/4 use the 380mm rotors unless they have the ceramic package which use 395mm.

The OEM adapters that fit onto our hubs are used on the X5M and X6M, unfortunatly those are for 395mm rotors, which will not fit under 18" wheels.

HOWEVER, I found a company that makes adapters for the 380mm rotors! I have a set enroute and a bought a damaged G8X caliper for test fitting purposes. I'll do a full write up after I get everything.

Advantage to this compared to what you did with the non M g-series 374mm rotor and caliper upgrade is that there are MUCH more pad options for the full-fat M calipers.

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This is awesome information!

there is a company out of Latvia called “Tronik/engineering” on eBay that make full kits and adapters for their packages; but it was a bit out of my price range to run an experiment. Considering they’re out of the US, I can’t imagine what shipping costs would be to send a full kit back to them, and their adapters themselves aren’t cheap. While the 395mm brakes would technically clear a 19” wheel, I wasn’t confident in them to clear the spokes.


what’re your thoughts with the 6pots and the stock master cylinder? Fortunately since the g20 and z4 all have the same master cylinder, and the “m performance” retrofit doesn’t upgrade the US spec master cylinders, i assumed brake feel wouldn’t be impacted (there seems to be slightly less bite, but could be the EBC yellows vs oem).
 

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This is awesome information!

there is a company out of Latvia called “Tronik/engineering” on eBay that make full kits and adapters for their packages; but it was a bit out of my price range to run an experiment. Considering they’re out of the US, I can’t imagine what shipping costs would be to send a full kit back to them, and their adapters themselves aren’t cheap. While the 395mm brakes would technically clear a 19” wheel, I wasn’t confident in them to clear the spokes.


what’re your thoughts with the 6pots and the stock master cylinder? Fortunately since the g20 and z4 all have the same master cylinder, and the “m performance” retrofit doesn’t upgrade the US spec master cylinders, i assumed brake feel wouldn’t be impacted (there seems to be slightly less bite, but could be the EBC yellows vs oem).
Yea that is where I bought the adapter from. $59 in shipping. Taking one for the team. They also didn't have a 380mm adapter listed so I reached out to them and they added it to the site.

MC should be just fine since the normal G-series use up to a 395mm huge rotor and caliper with the same MC.
 
 








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