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I applaud you for the effort. I built my last N54 at home and it's still living, you got this.
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Drop in piston kits, sigh. How do you set the piston to bore clearance?
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The clearance is set by CP at .030. from what I could find this is similar to the OEM pistons.
 

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The clearance is set by CP at .030. from what I could find this is similar to the OEM pistons.
The method to set piston to bore clearance is by measuring each individual piston and then honing each individual bore to suit the particular piston. Thats it. Anything else is just an educated guess at what the clearances will be and an assumption of what the bore size was out of the factory and how much wear has occurred to the bore in the mileage the car has done since new. Drop in kits are the lazy mans mod for people with no idea about engine building.
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The method to set piston to bore clearance is by measuring each individual piston and then honing each individual bore to suit the particular piston. Thats it. Anything else is just an educated guess at what the clearances will be and an assumption of what the bore size was out of the factory and how much wear has occurred to the bore in the mileage the car has done since new. Drop in kits are the lazy mans mod for people with no idea about engine building.
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So given that, what would be the correct set of pistons to buy for these engines?
 

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So given that, what would be the correct set of pistons to buy for these engines?
Custom pistons to suit the bore size or fractionally oversize and hone to size. The drop in kits will shoot for an average piston clearance for a new block but although the coated bores in a B58 are hard wearing there is still a bore tolerance + or minus. Thats why any drop in kit will be a hit and miss affair. From what I've been able to deduce without a B58 shop manual for the B58 engine during assembly at the factory BMW use "selective fit" graded piston sizes to match with selective bore dimension to get the clearance correct. Same as Ducati' has done for 50 years with Nikasil coated cylinders. You have a cylinder with an A,B or C size grading and you need to use the corresponding piston for that bore OR the smaller size piston ( at a pinch) but never the bigger piston. So no A bore with a C piston. Mismatched pistons and bores are not optimal though. All this will be automated at the BMW factory by a dedicated measuring robot and match pistons to bores to get the optimal clearances.
 
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I'm going to remove the pistons and measure them and the cylinder to check clearance and do the honing. Luckily I haven't put the oil pan back on or the head.

I think these are a little more than just a off the shelf kit, they're specific to the Supra. I'm not so sure BMW is so picky when putting these together as the only pistons and rods are weighing in at around 8 grams difference between the lightest and heaviest. These new ones, completely assembled came in exactly the same, all 1138.95. Piston rings already gapped.

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I'm going to remove the pistons and measure them and the cylinder to check clearance and do the honing. Luckily I haven't put the oil pan back on or the head.

I think these are a little more than just a off the shelf kit, they're specific to the Supra. I'm not so sure BMW is so picky when putting these together as the only pistons and rods are weighing in at around 8 grams difference between the lightest and heaviest. These new ones, completely assembled came in exactly the same, all 1138.95. Piston rings already gapped.

Disclaimer: I'm a nube at this.
I think given what others have said, it’s best to take the time to triple check everything and educate yourself along the way. The car is already torn apart, might as well ensure that you’re doing it right so you don’t have to do it again.
 

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I'm going to remove the pistons and measure them and the cylinder to check clearance and do the honing. Luckily I haven't put the oil pan back on or the head.

I think these are a little more than just a off the shelf kit, they're specific to the Supra. I'm not so sure BMW is so picky when putting these together as the only pistons and rods are weighing in at around 8 grams difference between the lightest and heaviest. These new ones, completely assembled came in exactly the same, all 1138.95. Piston rings already gapped.

Disclaimer: I'm a nube at this.
Good idea. You'll need a digital bore gauge or a set of telescopic bore gauges and a 75-100mm mike. A dial or digital bore gauge would be better but for a one off the telescopic gauges will suffice. These things are pretty cheap to buy these days and nothing wrong with Chinese stuff for your needs, just don't go too cheap. Vernia callipers won't be sufficient for this job either it must be a proper mike. Telescopic gauges can be fiddly to use and you'll need a little practice to get acurate results. Follow the piston manufacturers specs for the piston to bore clearances not the BMW clearance specs. Measure the bores across the block so you are measuring the thrust faces and at 3 locations from top to bottom. The pistons are usually measured 10mm from the bottom of the skirt or to the piston manufacturers requirements. Good luck and let us know what you find.
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Good idea. You'll need a digital bore gauge or a set of telescopic bore gauges and a 75-100mm mike. A dial or digital bore gauge would be better but for a one off the telescopic gauges will suffice. These things are pretty cheap to buy these days and nothing wrong with Chinese stuff for your needs, just don't go too cheap. Vernia callipers won't be sufficient for this job either it must be a proper mike. Telescopic gauges can be fiddly to use and you'll need a little practice to get acurate results. Follow the piston manufacturers specs for the piston to bore clearances not the BMW clearance specs. Measure the bores across the block so you are measuring the thrust faces and at 3 locations from top to bottom. The pistons are usually measured 10mm from the bottom of the skirt or to the piston manufacturers requirements. Good luck and let us know what you find.
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Thanks for the help.

I bought the telescoping guage and micrometer. Cylinders bores were all 82mm and pistons were all 81.92mm. CP calls for .0762mm.
 
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Welp, everything is put back together and the Supra is running perfect.
 
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Well for exempel did you run in any other problems during the assembly?
Where there any trouble with the wiring, sensors?
Did the car throw any codes on the first start up?
Anything that needed to be coded or done on the Software side?
How was the first drive?
Tips / hints for anyone attempting this as well?

And some of us are just curios about the process in general ;)
 
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It went pretty smooth for the most part.

Issues that arise:

Disassembly:

- Cradle bolts and oil pump bolts are weak and will shred if the socket isn't perfectly on them.

-Buy all the bolts and tools ahead of time to reduce delays.

- This is a good opportunity to replace the plastic oil pump

- I used a machine shop to clean, install valve springs, and deck the head for $400. Shaved a lot of time and money on tools I don't need in the long run. Do this in the beginning.

- I had to jack one side place wheel ramp under that side then jack the center with a wooden block to get the car high enough to place jack stands on both sides.

Reassembly:

- I missed the ground on the back of the engine block, caused significant delays trying to figure this out.

- Reset adaptations before start up, reach out to tuner for a new map before start up.

- I didn't really have any other issues putting things back together other than the ground.

- I'm going to let this break in for 500 miles before I start doing pulls and sending logs.
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