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This isn't about "tracking," Its about comparing one car to another - stock for stock - on a relatively level playing field.

Cool. All the other information I've seen was less conclusive. Thanks for posting the above.

Because for all intents and purposes with opinions, conjecture and "what if's" taken out of the equation, it does appear that around a track, STOCK Type Rs are generally faster than STOCK Supras. And don't forget that most of the Type R times that better the Supra are not the new FL5 but the...

Nice try.. but it was not the "if" that was quoted. lol. What I am saying is that if we add "what if's" to already variable rich metrics, we just end up with even muddier waters. Ideally, these tests should be bone stock - including tires; same track conditions and with the same (or at least...

Yeah but we can apply that little "if" to every car ever made.

I guess what I'm saying is that I expected the Supra to be in a higher league to the Type R, but it sure doesn't seem like it's.

According to the link provided in one of the posts above, The old Type R actually bests the Supra on both Virginia and Dunville.. as well as the Nurburgring! ? I know there's a bunch of variables.. but its certainly something to think about.

I was about to pull the trigger on some and then I thought, why not just paint the original ones? My local paint shop quoted me around $80AUD, so 20c USD.

This matches my timeline. My car is scheduled for delivery late may/early June and I have said it from the getgo.. as soon as my car is confirmed, the Targa will be announced. lol

The fastest Supra Nurburgring time I can find on the web is 7:52. Are we really saying that the new Type R is around 8 seconds.. faster? ? https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-honda-civic-type-r-nurburgring-record/

Congrats man! Spewing about the front plate mount though - Are you going to get it repaired or leave it? I'm still waiting on information from my dealer. And you can count me in with putting her straight onto a truck to PPF. Did it feel weird to collect and then give up straight away? Did you...

Hahaha.. I'll just take a car without a hideous front plate holder at this point - ETA early June. And for those who are wondering exactly how clueless Australian dealers are, take a look at some of the answers in this FAQ...

Please do. So good to see some cars making their way into this thread - Can't wait to see some pics!

We have a ton of ridiculous laws.. road rules in particular. I think we are the only place in the world where speeding (at a high enough speed) is a full on criminal offense. Also, up until this year, paying for a meal at a drive through using your phone was technically against the law. We also...

Glad I mentioned it. Let me know how you go. I tried to have it put on my contract and my delaer balked. I'm chasing it here too but if you make any inroads, please PM me or post it here. Hopefully we can get ahead of it.

This is going to sound stupid but I sat in a different car the next day and I swear it went much lower. So much so that I think the demo I was in may have had an issue. Probably placebo. Who knows.

Yup. Did that. ? I thought so too.. My dealer is saying these parts are no longer fitted by dealers themselves but are fitted before it gets to them. I hope you are right but as they have had two MY23 cars delivered that I know of, I'm inclined to believe them. I'm making inquiries. When your...

Welcome to the nanny state.

Do you know what ship? Surely our cars are on the same ship lol. Any chance you can PM me contact details on who you've been speaking with? Just want to try and get my dealer to play ball.

I said I wasn't going to comment. But I think I will because.. safety. I went for a test drive in an MT today and I attempted to get the parking brake to fail. After I switched off the engine and applied the park brake I mashed the pedals, put it in gear, engaged the clutch, etc. Park brake...