2020 Supra prototype at Goodwood Festival of Speed (photos/videos)

[Guff]

What does “DMS” mean?

Toyota is really hyping up the Supra, just like it once did with the 86.

The only thing I can find in relation to Toyota is "Dealer Management System"? No idea how that's related.

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[MA617M]

Central tacho!!! Yes! Nothing says "I'm not a sportscar" than a non central tacho.

Also love the simple black and white. No fancy colours and animations... That we can see.

Also, that sounds ace. Really nice.

 

[Guff]

Central tacho!!! Yes! Nothing says "I'm not a sportscar" than a non central tacho.

Also love the simple black and white. No fancy colours and animations... That we can see.

Also, that sounds ace. Really nice.

I wonder where the red starts? Clearly higher than 7000, and 7000 is where a standard B58 will redline....

 

[Modal170]

I wonder where the red starts? Clearly higher than 7000, and 7000 is where a standard B58 will redline....

9100

Lol, that would be ridiculous

 

[MA617M]

That's the other thing that has me excited. I hope it is >7000.

A bmw six over 7000rpm is an aural orgasm.

 

[Guff]

I don't expect much over 7500, but at least being different than a 340i proves it's not a bog-standard B58...

 

[Modal170]

I don't expect much over 7500, but at least being different than a 340i proves it's not a bog-standard B58...

I say 7700.

Though, I think people wound be ecstatic if it is 8k like a old school vtec

 

[Guff]

I say 7700.

Though, I think people wound be ecstatic if it is 8k like a old school vtec

8k, even 7700, would have to mean that the head was serious business. Of course, we were told that the head would be a hell of a breather before, but again nothing solid that would confirm that.

 

[Modal170]

8k, even 7700, would have to mean that the head was serious business. Of course, we were told that the head would be a hell of a breather before, but again nothing solid that would confirm that.

True, but if we were to be realistic, a 7700 redline would be similar to the 86 redline being 7300 if I remember correctly.

I would just think a 8k redline would attract buyers and if properly geared can stay in the power band for much longer.

Or if the car revs fast

 

[HKz]

True, but if we were to be realistic, a 7700 redline would be similar to the 86 redline being 7300 if I remember correctly.

I would just think a 8k redline would attract buyers and if properly geared can stay in the power band for much longer.

Or if the car revs fast

lol I don't think developing an engine and setting it's redline works like that..if only engineers could just pick and choose what rpm they want, then all sports cars would have a redline over 9000

 

[Modal170]

lol I don't think developing an engine and setting it's redline works like that..if only engineers could just pick and choose what rpm they want, then all sports cars would have a redline over 9000

Oh, no doubts. The Fa20 is not a B58. But I was wondering how far Toyota could push the car's engine

 

[HKz]

Oh, no doubts. The Fa20 is not a B58. But I was wandering how far Toyota could push the car's engjne

It isn't necessarily how hard you push an engine, it is more a result of the engine's design hence why FA20 has a higher redline than B58 and while you can increase the FA20's redline it won't add any power.. https://www.carthrottle.com/post/engineering-explained-why-some-engines-rev-high-and-their-benefits/

 

[Guff]

Almost anyone can put in strong enough valve springs to prevent valve float at high RPMs, but the real mission is creating a head design that can flow enough air to make actual power at that fast of an engine speed. Certainly no easy task, and would require a fair bit of modification of the standard B58 head.

 

[Modal170]

It isn't necessarily how hard you push an engine, it is more a result of the engine's design hence why FA20 has a higher redline than B58 and while you can increase the FA20's redline it won't add any power.. https://www.carthrottle.com/post/engineering-explained-why-some-engines-rev-high-and-their-benefits/

The more you know. Hope Yamaha had some fun

 

[Nurburgring]

Pushing a stock B58 over 7000rpms (stock redline) wouldn’t be any use. S55 does have a better head and turbos and redlines at 7600.

So either the updated B58TU has borrowed some tricks from the S-series, or Toyota did actually modify the head for the Supra. In either case, it points to a higher power target, otherwise you wouldn’t need the extra revs.

B58 vs N55

S55

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