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[XtremeMaC]

Dude, like mentioned before, this car and almost all cars lately are chips on wheels.
I've recently changed industries and now in the automotive electronics side of things and you'd be amazed to know even a firmware on the USB power delivery charger, a charger port! can fuck up the head unit, by extension the iDrive, etc. etc. and even the headers of these things need to match. Call it poor programming, call it whatever, but that's the reality. Your problem may just be because of such a minute thing like update is looking for Rev C text and you have AfterMarket_XO_W32 rev. So, it's throwing a fault.. Extremely normal...

In return what you want right now, which is understandable, is a solution that'll work for all scenarios, but I can guarantee you that people working on the brake issue aren't checking all different modules of the ECU/etc. to see if they've been modified or whatever.
So, you may be out of luck pushing this.

If you don't like the car, you don't like it. you're selling it, great, but don't go all out blaming some poor technician who is doing the recall for the first time and isn't able to provide you with alternatives or the dealership who also don't have a clue... who else then? no one.

That's the recall. it's looking for certain values, yours don't match. you're the low minority. Unless you can somehow get Toyota to reach out to BMW saying, "we have one customer with aftermarket amp that wants you to put thousands of engineering hours to allow the programming to accept his amp" then all the power to you.

Create a poll, to see how many people in the Supra and BMW B58 forums that are in need of this, then perhaps you can get some things moving....

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[XtremeMaC]

Fact: You didn't come here to find a solution. Nothing in your post states that. You are complaining and talking about selling.... You're whining and with an attitude, a tantrum and continued on. Some people's comments didn't help for sure.... That's why people are reacting the way they are... It's a fact. It's normal. All 7/20+ ECU owners are whining about ECU-tuning. We've all been duped. Blame hackers and cybersecurity. It's crippling the aftermarket scene along with other environmental friendly legislation..

But you're continually overlooking and downplaying the complexity of the updates these days and that's why people are acting less friendly..

It's a BMW. it's full of electronics. Even changing the battery throws faults left and right. You know that, you have an X6.. no issues with it? You've lucky you got the M with N63 engine. otherwise it was going to be in the same boat (if you changed amp on it as well..)

Blame Toyota, blame Tada, blame BMW.. if it's "rigid" it affects all B58 BMW's as well. It's something overlooked by engineers. I wouldn't call it "rigid". More than likely it wasn't considered..
Tada over-promised and BS'ed many things. He eluded this and that.. We assumed shit. This year they came up with a CF-variant... pfft.

All Audi's, all Merc, etc. they're all like this nowadays, so if you don't want the hassle of these you'll have to go with less modern vehicles.. FRS didn't even have a screen to throw codes to.

In the end, it's a 55K vehicle. I didn't expect a 100K quality from it. We are, sport car fans, are lucky that it was even brought to reality.. All haters early on hated the car due to BMW partnership and I think all realist people expected Toyota techs to have limited knowledge throughout the lifetime of the vehicle.. Even on FRS it happened. Tech's messed up the recall horribly I'm sure you know..
Heck techs couldn't even get Nav to work...

Anyhow. So long.

 

[Fast_Freddie]

Its funny you people act like I'm jumping up and down saying you better take care of me and my one off. The overall issue is that things are so rigid in their process that a change in code in the ECU to prevent the touble tap of the start button is impossible unless the entire vehicle is stock. As you've stated that's not for me. As I also stated the chief engineer AT TOYOTA touted the modibility of this platform. To preach how modible it is then to have tight restrictions or you won't provide a safety recall which is a coding issue IMHO if overkill. As I stated in my initial post between locking the ECU and now this it may be time for me to exit this platform. I guarantee I wouldn't have got into this platform had I known that they were going to do everything in their power to make it unmodible or else. I'm not blaming the technician, never have, I do feel that having a single technician trained on a platform that see limited traffic through their stall is a bad idea as they can't become an expert on something where as the 'partner' technicians at BMW see the MOST system, the drivetrain etc everyday. They are better equipped with dealing with the system and potential one offs. It's amazing to me that I can't have and express and opinion without getting jumped all over by people who are all suddenly experts on my situation. Forgive me for giving everyone else exposure to the downsides of what is happening in real world situations at real world dealership and real world technicians. I am a business owner. I have been in business in the tech industry for over 25 years. People act like I have no idea what I am dealing with in my experience. On the contrary I do. I also know that I have the right to walk away and I might. But that's my choice, my decision and no one else's place to tell me what I could/should do. I'm over the whole situation at this point and have wasted way to much energy defending my position to everyone on the forums who knows better than I. Peace.

If you have been in the tech industry for 25 years, then you can't seriously be as naive as you are when it comes to coding and systems engineering... They are rigid in their process because their programming is all based around the specification they built it to, not what someone changed, rewired, or hacked up. Its is a 100% CYA from their perspective, and I completely understand their point of view... Its not that I don't see yours, but again, I already stated I would never really deal with the dealership to begin with...

 

[Grady60]

Are you saying that you didn’t know that by modifying your car, you were doing so at your own risk? Pretty sure most everybody knows that.

 

[SupraYYJ]

I came from nothing and have worked my ass off for everything I have.

the last generation who fkn knows how to work for things not expect handouts?

there will be no convincing me that what I'm requesting is unreasonable and its all not complete bullshit.

you people

?

I'm not a baby boomer I'm Gen X.

 

[MisterSkiz]

I never owned a BMW tech automobile until I owned the Supra.....it made my head explode that if the battery goes down in charge, it sets an immutable flag that can only be changed when you unhook, recharge and "re-initialize" the battery with a diagnostic tool.

I asked myself - Why did they do this? Was it to make easy money at dealerships? Was it to make sure dumb people didn't get stranded somewhere? Why didn't they just have a check every time car starts up and have the code clear by itself?

This set the tone/mindset that I have for this car - that nothing is going to work as we think it will. I think once you know this and have this mindset you will just laugh when stupid shit like the factory tool needing to talk to the amplifier in order to update the DME.

I guess the silver lining here is that the @cvondra is the first person to try to have the DME Recall with a non factory sound system and that we - the community, himself and the techs learned something new. While a major pain in the ass, you could put the amp back in, have the update done and move on - all while being pissed off and shaking your head and knowing that going forward this will have to be done.

Just wait until new factory tools perform a checksum of the OEM computers and throw a flag saying they won't update...folks are lucky that at least now the process will complete if tuned.

Hang in there bud!!! We are here to vent to.

 

[Ivan27]

 

[ikeaboy]

Oh shit. I've never seen someone peace out their own thread and actually mean it. This goes back to 2003. I had some follow up questions for @cvondra

I showed you my intentions. Please reply.

 

[ikeaboy]

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I applaud this. The execution is impeccable. Not everyone will understand but please know I appreciate it.

 

[mokleen]

47k. I'll pick it up

 

[ikeaboy]

$47.5K. I'll even give you back the amp and write an apology letter to the "low level tech".

 

[SD_MK]

47k. I'll pick it up

Loooool ?? yellow boyz

 

[Thill444]

Isn’t swapping the old amp back in maybe a 30 minute DIY job? Honestly swap it back to stock, let them finish the update then swap the OEM audio back in. I understand your frustration but this is not a Toyota issue, it’s using aftermarket electronics. Unless yiu ditched the stock amp…

 

[Thill444]

Okay boomer, just do us all a favor and sell the car, move on and get a Corvette... Its obvious that whatever anyone says that doesn't 100% align with your though process is wrong and the enemy...

The new Corvettes are just as locked down/dependent on electronics.

 

[Rocksandblues]

The new Corvettes are just as locked down/dependent on electronics.

Even worse

Track friend has one and it freaks out if you try to upgrade suspension or brakes. So far he has been frustrated to remain bone stock on everything

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