Formula 1 Talk

[Dannyvandelft]

yeah Max’s racecraft under pressure is super sketchy.

Bunch of nonsense. Guess you haven't watched just the last few races where he proved the opposite where he was under pressure the whole time, and drove fantastic. To clarify, he was at fault today, but it was hardly intentional. And it went both ways between Max and Lando as they were going at it hard, which is what we all want to see.


The funny thing is, Max had 5 or so epic races, and he makes one mistake, and all the maggots come out of the wood work, and they have to go all the way back to 2021 to find Max's last mistake ???

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[johnnyskids]

You should quote yourself. He didn’t do any thing that Max wasn’t doing in 21. Dive bomb, blow the apex and then try and make it before track limits. Max signature overtake. But you’re so blinded by your “Dutch God” you won’t ever find fault.

I’m assuming this was directed at the crazy Max guy who can’t see any faults in his favourite driver. So glad I blocked that idiot years ago.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

I’m assuming this was directed at the crazy Max guy who can’t see any faults in his favourite driver. So glad I blocked that idiot years ago.

Yet I'm still living rent free in your head ?

 

[romanLegion9574]

Yup, after the race of course he didn’t admit to any wrong doing. Blamed everyone and everything else, including the track/corner for why it happened. Just typical. As I’ve stated before, when he is winning easily he is a great on track driver, considerate to his team and teammates, not to mention rival drivers, but the second it gets slightly tough, back to his old self.

What bothers me the most is there was no reason to do it. He likely would have traded the lead a couple of times before the end of the race. They were evenly matched and whoever had DRS would have the advantage, so I just don’t understand why after all these years he continues to do it. No one is catching him in the drivers championship.

IIRC, Max was on scrubbed hards and Lando was on new mediums, so Max had to play dirty to force Lando’s tires to degrade.

It really seemed like he was trying to desperately hang on because it was the Red Bull Ring. McLaren won on strategy.

 

[BrettMRC]

Max, like any of the top RB academy drivers is an exceptional talent - be it one lap pace, or sustained high speed accuracy etc. However this is balanced by the fact his behaviour is continually enabled by his management and the failure of the FIA to consistently enforce the rules.

One rule for Max, one rule for everyone else.

I won't deny he is quick, but the whole edifice around him is toxic.

I'd love to see him out of Redbull and into another team with a better environment.

As things stand we are just going to see more and more accidents simply because he can't control his aggression. (He isn't unique in his approach, but as WDC he should be setting a higher standard and held to a higher standard)

It's such a shame that two of the greatest talents in the last 12 years also create such huge toxicity amongst the fan base.

 

[johnnyskids]

IIRC, Max was on scrubbed hards and Lando was on new mediums, so Max had to play dirty to force Lando’s tires to degrade.

It really seemed like he was trying to desperately hang on because it was the Red Bull Ring. McLaren won on strategy.

Nope they both had hards and they even pitted at the same time, so tires were not a issue.

It did not make any sense because the sprint race Max easily passed him in a couple of corners, so one would think he should have some confidence to do it again. Wasn’t like it was the last lap. No excuses, he just drove like an ass and ruined both their races.

 

[johnnyskids]

Max, like any of the top RB academy drivers is an exceptional talent - be it one lap pace, or sustained high speed accuracy etc. However this is balanced by the fact his behaviour is continually enabled by his management and the failure of the FIA to consistently enforce the rules.

One rule for Max, one rule for everyone else.

I won't deny he is quick, but the whole edifice around him is toxic.

I'd love to see him out of Redbull and into another team with a better environment.

As things stand we are just going to see more and more accidents simply because he can't control his aggression. (He isn't unique in his approach, but as WDC he should be setting a higher standard and held to a higher standard)

It's such a shame that two of the greatest talents in the last 12 years also create such huge toxicity amongst the fan base.

I don’t think we should blame RB or Horner for Max’s issues fully. He is such an amazing talent, no denying it, so like any team sport they will do things to keep him happy. He would be the same with any of the teams I feel. But if the FIA were consistent with everyone, I am confident he would make adjustments to stay in the top spot.

This is only happening because teams/drivers are actually pushing him. The last two years he was so far ahead that he didn’t ever feel the need to do this, not that I think he should feel like he needs to do this now either.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

IIRC, Max was on scrubbed hards and Lando was on new mediums, so Max had to play dirty to force Lando’s tires to degrade.

It really seemed like he was trying to desperately hang on because it was the Red Bull Ring. McLaren won on strategy.

Wrong. They were both on Mediums. Lando on new, Max on scrubbed. McLaren didn't win. Russell did. McLaren got lucky because RedBull messed up the pit stop and Max's lead went from 7 seconds to 2.

One rule for Max, one rule for everyone else.

Nonsense

Nope they both had hards

Wrong again skidmark.

This is only happening because teams/drivers are actually pushing him.

He's being pushed all year. Lando was driving just as aggressive as Max, and even got a track limit penalty when he forced BOTH drivers off track. But let's just conveniently forget about that eh?

 

[BrettMRC]

Wrong. They were both on Mediums. Lando on new, Max on scrubbed. McLaren didn't win. Russell did. McLaren got lucky because RedBull messed up the pit stop and Max's lead went from 7 seconds to 2.

Nonsense

Wrong again skidmark.

He's being pushed all year. Lando was driving just as aggressive as Max, and even got a track limit penalty when he forced BOTH drivers off track. But let's just conveniently forget about that eh?

Are you ok? Getting enough sleep?

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Are you ok? Getting enough sleep?

Absolutely fine, why?

 

[BrettMRC]

Absolutely fine, why?

Just reads like you're taking things personally

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Just reads like you're taking things personally

Not at all. Maybe Skidmark calling me an idiot when he can't even tell the difference between Hard and Medium tires, but other than that, no lol ?

It's just funny how people jump on Max's back when Lando was maybe even as much to blame. Norris did worse in Barcelona pushing Max on the grass, nothing gets said. Lando had loads of room left yesterday on his left, had a whole kerb to use. Max got squeezed worse by Sainz in the same corner last year. All good. But oh boy if Max makes contact It's pitchforks out. It's honestly ridiculous. Max was predominantly at fault, hence the Penalty, but Lando had his part in it too. After the sprint he had a point to prove, and that's how it came to this.

look how much further to the left Max is to avoid Sainz.

 

[RWhiz]

Man this season is getting spicy! Love it. I’m not really a GR fan but a couple races in a row where there were 3 constructors on the podium.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Man this season is getting spicy! Love it. I’m not really a GR fan but a couple races in a row where there were 3 constructors on the podium.

I can't wait for Silverstone. Going to be epic.

 

[FLtrackdays]

Yup, after the race of course he didn’t admit to any wrong doing. Blamed everyone and everything else, including the track/corner for why it happened. Just typical. As I’ve stated before, when he is winning easily he is a great on track driver, considerate to his team and teammates, not to mention rival drivers, but the second it gets slightly tough, back to his old self.

What bothers me the most is there was no reason to do it.

As a Max fan, holding him (& Lewis) to a higher standard, I gotta agree. He definitely didn’t have his best weekend ? I think at his phenom level, he didn’t need to digress. Which is easy for me to say. Not being in that situation - driving for 2 hours at that intensity, in the fastest cars in the world, knowing you are the quickest that weekend (extract the fastest lap during qualifying), pit stop gone terribly wrong, on used tires, your buddy on new ones, waiting for his tires to finally equalize… It definitely wore him down. And it showed. He should have (and probably did - despite Alex Brundle’s argument that he didn’t) known Lando was on his left when he slightly moved out. He is that good imo. That touch caused an immediate puncture of his right rear. Finesse control being lost after that. Max was (and still is) wrong to call out dive bombing, when he and every other driver does this. He‘s good at every maneuver on track. Lando had to try to get around while he had that advantage.

Is Lando perfect? Nope. He went too far over last weekend and pushed Max off track at the start. It goes both ways for sure. I liked David’s Valsecchi’s commentating. Even though I could barely understand him. Had my closed captions on lol.

I just expect more out of Max. And my wife will never agree with any of my arguments against him ? Throw in having your pit bull dad not knowing when he needs to go up and sit with Carlo’s dad. Max needs to pull a Lewis Hamilton and get his dad out of there. He’s got enough to deal with leading a championship ?

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