Formula 1 Talk

[johnnyskids]

OK, I just found this thread, and I'm not only a big F1 fan and IndyCar fan, but I raced sports cars wheel to wheel in the SCCA for over 15 years and I made it to the SCCA Runoffs back when you had to qualify.

I agree that Max is one of, if not the best F1 driver currently... but I'm not a fan.

I used to be a fan of Lewis, but he's getting a bit too long in the tooth (too old).

I like Lando, and he's been great for McLaren. But I think Oscar is about to become the #1 driver there, and I like him as well, but he doesn't show much emotion.

I liked George Russel even before he joined Merc. He got to the point while at Merc, that he was doing better than Lewis. But now I think Kimi has a chance to do the same thing to George that Oscar is doing to Lando!

I expect I'll probably be here most F1 weekends.

Welcome, I think your take on Max is how most people outside of RB fans feel about him. We see the talent is exceptional, but his actions on the track and how he treats his team and people he works with, rubs me the wrong way.

I think last seasons championship for Max was the most impressive of his career. Not record breaking like the one prior of course, but impressive in that his car was no longer dominate, he didn't have a good teammate, and he was still able to win the championship.

With George and Kimi, it certainly could play out similar to Lando and Oscar, I'm thinking it would take a similar timeline, meaning 2+ seasons together, and I'm not sure they'll be driving together beyond this season...

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[Ron L]

Welcome, I think your take on Max is how most people outside of RB fans feel about him. We see the talent is exceptional, but his actions on the track and how he treats his team and people he works with, rubs me the wrong way.

I think last seasons championship for Max was the most impressive of his career. Not record breaking like the one prior of course, but impressive in that his car was no longer dominate, he didn't have a good teammate, and he was still able to win the championship.

With George and Kimi, it certainly could play out similar to Lando and Oscar, I'm thinking it would take a similar timeline, meaning 2+ seasons together, and I'm not sure they'll be driving together beyond this season...

OK, I'm curious, who is it that you think won't be driving together after this season? George & Kimi or Lando & Oscar? And why do you think that's the case.

Personally, I think all 4 of them see their team/car has a serious chance to be the best on the grid next season.

 

[johnnyskids]

OK, I'm curious, who is it that you think won't be driving together after this season? George & Kimi or Lando & Oscar? And why do you think that's the case.

Personally, I think all 4 of them see their team/car has a serious chance to be the best on the grid next season.

If I was to peg things, I'd say there is likely around a 95% chance that Lando and Oscar will be on the same team next season.

I'd probably say the George and Kimi is more like a 75% chance of sticking, Georges contract is up, Max is incredibly frustrated with RB right now, so the idea would likely be keeping Kimi and allowing George to go to another team.

I'll throw in Alonso and Poutine, I'd give that more like a 70% chance of staying together. Max would choose Aston due to Newey and the massive amount of money they'll throw at him.

Lastly I'll say that there is around a 5% chance that Yuki and Max are driving for RB next season. Max and someone else, I'd give that like a 75 or 80% chance that Max sticks around to next season.

All of these %'s will change week to week based on how each team does and how they are progressing. So they'll inevitably change between now and the end of the season.

 

[johnnyskids]

Red Bull are in full panic mode now. lol

Yes they are, and if Max leaves it'll set that team back a bunch of years I'd say.

If I were to peg when things started to go downhill, it would be before last season started when Horner had those allegations. If RB was smart, they would have parted ways with Horner right then, maybe pay him out a large severance, etc. Instead they made it appear they did an investigation but in reality it was never going to come back with bad news.

They wouldn't have had that distraction to start the season, Newey may not have left, and who knows how a new team principle would have handled the whole Checo/Yuki/Lawson/Danny Ric situation.

But again, hindsight is 20/20 and like most successful businesses/people they always think they can overcome something with PR work and some money.

 

[Liam]

I wouldn't mind seeing Max join Newey at Aston purely out of spite for Lance. Cant stand that dude. Not only is he trash, but he just seems like a spoiled brat. Plus Max and Alonso in a (hopefully?) competitive car would be fun to see

 

[romanLegion9574]

More compounds, I'm not really sure I follow how that would improve things. Do you mean just going a step softer in the range?

Monaco is a beautiful spot to be, but not a great place to race in these massive F1 cars.

Would be fun just having them all just use a new Mazda Miata or Subie BRZ and just see the skills of full display with equal equipment.

2018 had a massive variety of tires to choose from. Nobody ever used the orange superhard tires, but there were a lot of varying strategies for races.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

I just love when people say:

" I think Max is a great driver, I just don't like his personality"

Meanwhile his team adores him, mechanics love him, bosses love him, Honda loves him, teammates love him, the rookies follow him around like little ducklings, Newey loves him, Alonso loves him, in every social media video he's always nice to fans young or old, and says it like it is.

"I just don't like him" having never met the guy ?

 

[BrettMRC]

I just love when people say:

" I think Max is a great driver, I just don't like his personality"

Meanwhile his team adores him, mechanics love him, bosses love him, Honda loves him, teammates love him, the rookies follow him around like little ducklings, Newey loves him, Alonso loves him, in every social media video he's always nice to fans young or old, and says it like it is.

"I just don't like him" having never met the guy ?

I think it's more that people don't like the methods he employs when racing other drivers.

If the rule book has to be constantly re-written and clarified because of the shit you pull on track, maybe you need to take a look at youself. F1 has always been cut throat, but at it's core there has been a level of understanding around behaviour that he ignores when he feels like it.

Fair to say that 2021 coloured a lot of people's opinions too.
It's not Max's fault that AD21 was manipulated, but his behaviour up to that point during the season was at best questionable, and not helped by the fact his boss and a lot of the fanbase viewed him as someone that could do nothing wrong because he was the only person taking the fight directly to Mercedes.

We continually see that side of Max emerge everytime he comes across someone that can actually race wheel to wheel sensibly. (It was interesting to see that Oscar appears to have the measure of him now - I have a feeling we will see a proper coming together of those two this season)

 

[Dannyvandelft]

I think it's more that people don't like the methods he employs when racing other drivers.

If the rule book has to be constantly re-written and clarified because of the shit you pull on track, maybe you need to take a look at youself. F1 has always been cut throat, but at it's core there has been a level of understanding around behaviour that he ignores when he feels like it.

Fair to say that 2021 coloured a lot of people's opinions too.
It's not Max's fault that AD21 was manipulated, but his behaviour up to that point during the season was at best questionable, and not helped by the fact his boss and a lot of the fanbase viewed him as someone that could do nothing wrong because he was the only person taking the fight directly to Mercedes.

We continually see that side of Max emerge everytime he comes across someone that can actually race wheel to wheel sensibly. (It was interesting to see that Oscar appears to have the measure of him now - I have a feeling we will see a proper coming together of those two this season)

Oscar has a car a second a lap faster. If he didn't pass Max, he wouldn't belong in F1.

The problem is that people are so biased against Max, you included, that every altercation is immediately Max's fault.

About 2021, Max raced hard, but never intentionally took out another car, unlike his rival.

Everyone regards Senna as the greatest, you probably do too, if you had actually watched him race, you'd know that Senna was as ruthless, probably more so than Max. As was Schumacher. If Max is resembling them, he's doing just fine.

When Mercedes couldn't be touched, Max brought the fight to them. Now McLaren cant be touched, Max is bringing the fight to them. Both times in a slower car.

Oscar is a fine driver, I like him, but let's not pretend he has the measure of Max without a vastly superior car. In Japan he showed no mentality to pass Norris. Max would've gone for it.
In Jeddah, he needed the penalty to beat Max, so he beat him on merit exactly once.

"The shit he pulled on track" was give us 3 of the most memorable seasons in F1 ever. Nobody will ever forget how he broke the Mercedes Machine in 2021. Breaking records that stood for decades in 2023, most wins, consecutive wins and on and on. 2024 winning the title in the 3rd best car, a feat only a couple drivers have accomplished. Won from more positions than any other driver in history. Lead the championship for longer than any other driver in history. He's done more in F1 in a shorter time than anyone else, in lesser cars. He can keep pulling "that shit" for as long as he want.

 

[FLtrackdays]

Oscar has a car a second a lap faster. If he didn't pass Max, he wouldn't belong in F1.

The problem is that people are so biased against Max, you included, that every altercation is immediately Max's fault.

About 2021, Max raced hard, but never intentionally took out another car, unlike his rival.

Everyone regards Senna as the greatest, you probably do too, if you had actually watched him race, you'd know that Senna was as ruthless, probably more so than Max. As was Schumacher. If Max is resembling them, he's doing just fine.

When Mercedes couldn't be touched, Max brought the fight to them. Now McLaren cant be touched, Max is bringing the fight to them. Both times in a slower car.

Oscar is a fine driver, I like him, but let's not pretend he has the measure of Max without a vastly superior car. In Japan he showed no mentality to pass Norris. Max would've gone for it.
In Jeddah, he needed the penalty to beat Max, so he beat him on merit exactly once.

"The shit he pulled on track" was give us 3 of the most memorable seasons in F1 ever. Nobody will ever forget how he broke the Mercedes Machine in 2021. Breaking records that stood for decades in 2023, most wins, consecutive wins and on and on. 2024 winning the title in the 3rd best car, a feat only a couple drivers have accomplished. Won from more positions than any other driver in history. Lead the championship for longer than any other driver in history. He's done more in F1 in a shorter time than anyone else, in lesser cars. He can keep pulling "that shit" for as long as he want.

It’s called MDS - Max derangement syndrome

 

[Dannyvandelft]

It’s called MDS - Max derangement syndrome

Absolutely!

 

[johnnyskids]

Man I decided to see the unblocked content from DannyV and have to say he is still completely delusional on anything involving Max. He literally can do no wrong to that guy. I'll be glad when he is unseated this season by one of my McLaren boys taking his crown and this could be the end of his era if his teams can't get at least the second fastest car on the track.

I'm so glad that I blocked him so long ago, being exposed to his comments just makes a person want to kick a cat (yes that's a Max reference also, LOL).

 

[FLtrackdays]

Absolutely!

I don’t blame anyone. It’s just the way it is. People get a 1st impression and for many, that’s hard to change. Some, not anyone on here, become obsessed with their 1st impression and imprint even worse images in their minds no mater what that person does. It’s a natural human trait and what I think is happening to Max. Everything you said about him is true. But most will never get past the initial impression and see him with his wife, kid (now kids), fans, or fellow drivers any differently. Minds are made up.

I like how Tom said Lewis is getting long in the tooth. My 1st impression of Lewis was a bullshit artist. But now I see him as more genuine real person when he lets his guard down. I prefer that (like Max) side of him. Max is a driver with incredible skill and trying to do the PR portion because he has to. That would definitely be the toughest part of the job imo. Trying to appeal to the audience and social media crowds. They are better off ignoring it, which I think he does a good job of, and Lando should do more of that as well.

Man I decided to see the unblocked content from DannyV and have to say he is still completely delusional on anything involving Max. He literally can do no wrong to that guy. I'll be glad when he is unseated this season by one of my McLaren boys taking his crown and this could be the end of his era if his teams can't get at least the second fastest car on the track.

I'm so glad that I blocked him so long ago, being exposed to his comments just makes a person want to kick a cat (yes that's a Max reference also, LOL).

I’m lucky (I suppose ?) that I work for the public and get to see all types. I love all people man. Danny is blunt and loves his guy. Nothing wrong with that. I have to take that position because my wife is the same way ?. We’re all different. That being said, I agree this season seems too stacked for Max to come above it all. Unless something changes drastically. But the fact he’s dragging that RB up there with the top 3 teams is Max-amazing ?

 

[FLtrackdays]

I wouldn't mind seeing Max join Newey at Aston purely out of spite for Lance. Cant stand that dude. Not only is he trash, but he just seems like a spoiled brat. Plus Max and Alonso in a (hopefully?) competitive car would be fun to see

You just want your RB seat back… Liam (Lawson) ? - big fan of yours btw & the fact you have Supra. Question being, who would be the no. 1 driver if Max were to leave for Mercedes or Aston??? What the hell is it with that 2nd seat? Or would there be two really bad drivers if Max was to leave? Can no one else drive that car???

 

[johnnyskids]

I don’t blame anyone. It’s just the way it is. People get a 1st impression and for many, that’s hard to change. Some, not anyone on here, become obsessed with their 1st impression and imprint even worse images in their minds no mater what that person does. It’s a natural human trait and what I think is happening to Max. Everything you said about him is true. But most will never get past the initial impression and see him with his wife, kid (now kids), fans, or fellow drivers any differently. Minds are made up.

I like how Tom said Lewis is getting long in the tooth. My 1st impression of Lewis was a bullshit artist. But now I see him as more genuine real person when he lets his guard down. I prefer that (like Max) side of him. Max is a driver with incredible skill and trying to do the PR portion because he has to. That would definitely be the toughest part of the job imo. Trying to appeal to the audience and social media crowds. They are better off ignoring it, which I think he does a good job of, and Lando should do more of that as well.

I think if we never heard any of Max's radio conversations in race, his comments right after a race, etc, the view of him would be A LOT different. Danny was correct that off the track he seems like a genuine good guy.

For me, it comes from when his car isn't the fastest how he treats his rivals, how his emotions on track can lead to driving like a complete asshole, how even half a second longer in a pit stop means some snarky comments to the pit crew, never taking ownership in any on track incidence that he creates, how he treats his teammates on track as second class citizens that must bow to his greatness and are unworthy of ever being let by or given a place for their betterment.

Off the track, and off the grid and out of the media pens, he's likely a pretty solid dude to be around. Sure a bit quirky but aren't we all.

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