Formula 1 Talk

[romanLegion9574]

They can thank Newey for demanding a late change to the design to make it more compact.
A few years ago the RB cars were suffering massively from overheating due to similar demands around sizing of the bodywork.

He's a genius, no doubt - but usually he has a TP above him to temper some of his requests/demands.

My understanding is that the overheating issues in testing were due to the tightly packed chassis, similar to McLaren when they had Honda PUs, and I believe also Red Bull with Renault units.

The vibration issue seems to be on Honda's design for the ICE and MGU-K. The AMR chassis probably amplifies that feeling through to the steering wheel, but it seems like something for Honda to figure out.

Seems like there is fault on both sides here.

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[tracer bullet]

I didn't get to see any of it yet but if others are interested in the starting lineup for this weekend:

 

[Loco38SUP]

Congrats to Kimi for the new record. Hope Russel’s car craps out during the main race.

-RJM

 

[Gabe]

I’m having fun watching all the battles with the new regs. Looks like a Mario kart game

 

[romanLegion9574]

I’m having fun watching all the battles with the new regs. Looks like a Mario kart game

Yeah, it's a bit artificial, especially with the huge gaps between cars, but it's been more entertaining than the ground effect cars.

It was nice to see so many passes at different spots, not just at the end of the straight or into turn 1. That duel between the Ferraris was so fun to watch. Also worth noting that Lewis (WELCOME BACK) used some deployment strategy with racecraft -- be the follow car at the detection point for more power, make the pass in the corners, and use the extra power to negate Charles' overtake mode on the straight.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

Is it “artificial“ because it’s artificial? Or is it “artificial“ because it hasn’t been this type of racing in F1 since I can remember. Cars are for sure slower, racing for sure different. Cars look quick at some points, slower at others. I’m sure they will get this package better. I think it has a long way to go before they are fastest F1 cars ever… if they ever get there.

So very happy for Kimi and Lewis. It’s amazing how unlikable Russel can be. Looks like I’m not a true F1 fan though. Funny how one of the greatest F1 drivers to sit behind a wheel and whose team told others to ”build a better fucking car” now has a shit box and dont like the regs. I do think they need to open up testing change the battery capacity if they are sticking with this and charge discharge rate so they can go full out for at least a couple laps.

 

[Gabe]

Is it “artificial“ because it’s artificial? Or is it “artificial“ because it hasn’t been this type of racing in F1 since I can remember. Cars are for sure slower, racing for sure different. Cars look quick at some points, slower at others. I’m sure they will get this package better. I think it has a long way to go before they are fastest F1 cars ever… if they ever get there.

So very happy for Kimi and Lewis. It’s amazing how unlikable Russel can be. Looks like I’m not a true F1 fan though. Funny how one of the greatest F1 drivers to sit behind a wheel and whose team told others to ”build a better fucking car” now has a shit box and dont like the regs. I do think they need to open up testing change the battery capacity if they are sticking with this and charge discharge rate so they can go full out for at least a couple laps.

im 100 with you on this.

as the initial real test of the new regulation, the racing has been absolutely insane. Even if is at lower speeds sometimes.

Today’s Ferrari fight was amazing and rarely seen on the previous regulation.

I see the battery as any other consumable like tires, which has to be managed and will improve over time. And the boost/overtake as the new DRS.

racing is not all about raw speed. I’m sure there will be upgrades to the battery capacity and energy release of n the next years.

 

[Ron L]

I love the new cars. I don't give a crap about the fact that they may be a bit slower.... they are WAY more fun to watch! They get more over steer than they did before. They are more often squirming around more than before. There is more passing and more to think about than before.

I'm sure the gaps between cars will get smaller as time goes by, they always do after a big rules change.

I kind of feel bad for Aston Martin not being able to make changes to the Honda for so long, but they asked for it and in time, it may very well pay big dividends for them. I do like Haas looking to be right in the hunt to be 'the best of the rest' for now. And for Audi making an all new engine and being pretty competitive right out of the box.

And I don't miss the Max fan boys yakking up how great he is. We all know he's a REALLY good driver... but so are a lot of others out there on the track. And maybe, just maybe, this year he'll have some competition from his teammate!

 

[Dannyvandelft]

It's WWE on wheels. It's ridiculous. It's not racing, it's waiting for the other to deploy their battery, then pass. The cars are better, but the Power Units are terrible. If they kept the chassis the same but put in the previous power units, or God forbid a V-8, they'd be much better.
The Ferrari fight was the only fun part other than Kimi winning his first race. George behind just waiting until Ferrari was done, and sailed by into the distance.

 

[romanLegion9574]

Is it “artificial“ because it’s artificial? Or is it “artificial“ because it hasn’t been this type of racing in F1 since I can remember. Cars are for sure slower, racing for sure different. Cars look quick at some points, slower at others. I’m sure they will get this package better. I think it has a long way to go before they are fastest F1 cars ever… if they ever get there.

So very happy for Kimi and Lewis. It’s amazing how unlikable Russel can be. Looks like I’m not a true F1 fan though. Funny how one of the greatest F1 drivers to sit behind a wheel and whose team told others to ”build a better fucking car” now has a shit box and dont like the regs. I do think they need to open up testing change the battery capacity if they are sticking with this and charge discharge rate so they can go full out for at least a couple laps.

So, you know the ICE/battery split is 50/50 with these regs. Looking a bit further, there's a couple of factors about battery deployment that come into play. Cars can harvest up to 8 MJ of electrical energy to use anywhere per lap; if they're less than 1 second behind at a single detection point (usually the last corner), they get an extra 1/2 MJ to harvest and use (along with a more potent deployment map). However, the batteries can only have a 4 MJ difference between min and max charge, so you can't just keep gathering energy and drain it in one go; it has to be recollected through the MGU-K. There's no MGU-H with these regs.

As for battery regen, there's 4 ways it happens, and it only happens on the rear axle:
1. braking
2. partial throttle
3. lift and coast (the only one the drivers control, the others are all software)
4. clipping (being full throttle at the end of the straight when the battery is depleted, however, the rate of regen is limited here)

In effect, this means that following cars can have huge power advantages = huge speed differentials on straights based on how much battery is available. That's why some moves are done even before the braking zone on the straight.

Based on my understanding, Mercedes is far better at harvesting energy than anyone else, which is why they have a huge gap.

My thoughts: passing on the straights that used to be DRS zones is a bit artificial, since the battery negates stuff like corner exit and moves are usually done before the next corner.

But as Charles vs Lewis proved to us, this set of regs opens up passing elsewhere. Look at how Lewis got ahead. The lap Lewis got ahead and stayed ahead, he stayed behind at the detection point to get the extra energy, and made his move in the infield, and used the extra energy to move out of the 1 second detection zone on the straight. That's racecraft.

 

[romanLegion9574]

Funny how one of the greatest F1 drivers to sit behind a wheel and whose team told others to ”build a better fucking car” now has a shit box and dont like the regs. I do think they need to open up testing change the battery capacity if they are sticking with this and charge discharge rate so they can go full out for at least a couple laps.

I'd say having a qualifying mode which allows for more battery collection and usage would be nice so they can go flat out in qualifying, and allow for a somewhat bigger capacity so they don't run out so early on the straights, but not too much as there needs to be some trade-off between LiCo and foot to the floor.

Now as to why Max doesn't like these rules, it doesn't work for the way he knows how to race: brake late not intending to make corners and claim "first at the apex", while the MGU-H is recharging the battery without driver input, so he can then manage the gap using ERS until the following car's tires die in like 2-3 laps.

Now there's no MGU-H to recharge the battery and divebombing doesn't generate enough battery to defend, and the cars can follow for longer.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I agree with you on Max and how he drives, I’m shocked he can’t launch this call off the line. If I recall he has had 3 bad starts out of the 2 races and sprint and drives his way back up. Which if he got great starts he would already be up there. I think Liam also had a bad star, stalling it in Australia. Wondering g what a weekend off will bring to the next race.

I believe this may be the last race until May?

 

[romanLegion9574]

I agree with you on Max and how he drives, I’m shocked he can’t launch this call off the line. If I recall he has had 3 bad starts out of the 2 races and sprint and drives his way back up. Which if he got great starts he would already be up there. I think Liam also had a bad star, stalling it in Australia. Wondering g what a weekend off will bring to the next race.

I believe this may be the last race until May?

It's a tougher to launch with no MGU-H to get the turbo in the launch window. That's what Ferrari have been on about; their turbo is smaller which sacrifices some top end but is much easier to get spooled up for the race start. And there's a fine line between keeping the revs up and not having loads of wheelspin on the start.

The F1TV app has removed Bahrain and Saudi Arabia on their race list, so it looks like we're getting a month off now. No idea if they're cancelled or the organizers are looking to reschedule them during another break.

 

[BrettMRC]

Those races are now cancelled, they did look at replacing them with Turkey and Imola but decided there was not enough time to do so.

 

[romanLegion9574]

Wow, Max went full petulant child again...

Refusing to fulfill an obligation of a press conference because a Guardian reporter who asked him a difficult question 4 months prior (whether Max regretted ramming George in Spain which ultimately cost him the title) was in the audience. Basically told them "I'm not doing this press conference unless you kick him out".

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