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My best dragy times, on a "prepped street" is 60ft 1.73, 0-60 3.18, 1/4 mile [email protected] with a 3985 DA and 81* weather, this Friday is our last "midnight mayhem" at the Vegas speedway so I'll get official times there but going to be cold and packed so only get a run and they don't prep it at all, so we will see. not expecting to improve there, most people go out the "Mexico" spot that they have prepped and all.
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For those who do serious drag racing or are trying to maximize their times on the street: This may not be the case, but with my foot into it, I feel like the car shifts more quickly and at the appropriate points if left in full auto mode (in my case Sport+). It's my perception that manually shifting is slower. Is that the case? I'm assuming some serious drag racers have actually measured it.
 

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For those who do serious drag racing or are trying to maximize their times on the street: This may not be the case, but with my foot into it, I feel like the car shifts more quickly and at the appropriate points if left in full auto mode (in my case Sport+). It's my perception that manually shifting is slower. Is that the case? I'm assuming some serious drag racers have actually measured it.
in my case no. running a dragy and letting the car shift compared to me shifting at 5800-6k is a .5-.75 difference slower in full auto. the car falls off its power band so much after 5800-6k same night on the same road ive seen a best of 8.6 DA is 5750 manual shifting to a worse of 10.10 in auto. but average of 8.8 in manual and 9.5 in auto.
 

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I'm assuming some serious drag racers have actually measured it.
The shifts are the same speed but there is a 50-100ms lag from the paddle to the ECU. On the stock turbo I tried to shift at 55-5600RPMs, because I wanted the shift to happen at 5700rpms or so.
 
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Isn't 39 PSI too high for PSS? ? The recommended pressure is 32 PSI.
Dealer reset all my tire pressure to 36 cold after change my rear tires...will deflate them to 32 cold?
 

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Dealer reset all my tire pressure to 36 cold after change my rear tires...will deflate them to 32 cold?
The recommended factory pressure is 37 cold. If you care just about a straight line, yeah go lower on the PSI. But, I feel like the car handles more confidently with 37/37 F/R vs any staggered psi. At 32, it's just not as confidence inspiring.
 

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The recommended factory pressure is 37 cold. If you care just about a straight line, yeah go lower on the PSI. But, I feel like the car handles more confidently with 37/37 F/R vs any staggered psi. At 32, it's just not as confidence inspiring.
I've always kinda ignored recommended settings and run what feels best, usually a little higher than what they suggest for most cars. Some like my Mustang i ran as high as 40psi cold in the tires as it felt much better. My Supra tire placard in the door shows 38psi recommended and i run 37 front and 30 rear but none of my setups are OEM wheels and tires. I run Invo up front and NT05r's in the back
 

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in my case no. running a dragy and letting the car shift compared to me shifting at 5800-6k is a .5-.75 difference slower in full auto. the car falls off its power band so much after 5800-6k same night on the same road ive seen a best of 8.6 DA is 5750 manual shifting to a worse of 10.10 in auto. but average of 8.8 in manual and 9.5 in auto.
The shifts are the same speed but there is a 50-100ms lag from the paddle to the ECU. On the stock turbo I tried to shift at 55-5600RPMs, because I wanted the shift to happen at 5700rpms or so.
Thank you both for the information. I must be feeling the lag between tapping the shifter and the transmission starting the process to up-shift. I know about the hesitation to up-shift when getting high in the rev range (and out of the power band), but it catches me by surprise every time and I find myself hitting the rev limiter. I'm sure I sound like a total noob with my loud ass exhaust. ?
 
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in my case no. running a dragy and letting the car shift compared to me shifting at 5800-6k is a .5-.75 difference slower in full auto. the car falls off its power band so much after 5800-6k same night on the same road ive seen a best of 8.6 DA is 5750 manual shifting to a worse of 10.10 in auto. but average of 8.8 in manual and 9.5 in auto.
Do you have a 20 or 21? I just can’t believe there would be that much difference. Maybe in the 20 since the 21 power increases are mostly high RPM. There’s simply no way my car runs mid-11s by manually short shifting versus the 11.98 to 12.05 I ran in full auto.
 
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The recommended factory pressure is 37 cold. If you care just about a straight line, yeah go lower on the PSI. But, I feel like the car handles more confidently with 37/37 F/R vs any staggered psi. At 32, it's just not as confidence inspiring.
Thanks for the input. I feel the same as 37 psi is a sweet spot for normal driving. Just did a casual 1/4, 37 psi, tire temp only at 76F, happy with 12.1 time.

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Do you have a 20 or 21? I just can’t believe there would be that much difference. Maybe in the 20 since the 21 power increases are mostly high RPM. There’s simply no way my car runs mid-11s by manually short shifting versus the 11.98 to 12.05 I ran in full auto.
Good point! I heard 21s will keep pulling hard all way up to 65k RPM
 

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After a dealer visit for the brake recall, I finally got a new pair of PSS rear tires after 16000 miles plus few track days. Car is bone stock, bench unlocked recently and flashed with BM3 91 OTS map. Added a little octane booster.

After some practice, the result is pretty consistent around 3.8. The point is to avoid the tire spin and maintain the maximum traction.

10% power reduce for the 1st gear and 5% for the 2nd.

Tire pressure at 39 PSI, temperature around 95F, half tank.

NO launch control. I heard it is horrible....

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Manual shifting

Launch at 1500 RPM, then WOT

quick shift to 2nd gear around 4.5K rpm(Depending on how sticky the tire is), then WOT

So, the 2nd gear can have full traction all the way to the redline.

Final thoughts, tire is the key! Pretty sure a set of stickier tires could easily break 3.5 in stage 1.

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0-60 in 3.5 seconds is impressive. I’ve always been an acceleration junky, good job.

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Do you have a 20 or 21? I just can’t believe there would be that much difference. Maybe in the 20 since the 21 power increases are mostly high RPM. There’s simply no way my car runs mid-11s by manually short shifting versus the 11.98 to 12.05 I ran in full auto.
I have a 2020, tuned though they dont look like there is much between them, i know once getting high hp numbers the manifold really shines on the 21+. but the high compression on the 20 with just tunes on both the 20 does outperform the 21 a little, mainly from the high compression, but you can see the fall off after 6k, if you shift closer to the 7k mark your past the meat of the torque. at 5800 or so it puts you right there on torque and power

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Do you have a 20 or 21? I just can’t believe there would be that much difference. Maybe in the 20 since the 21 power increases are mostly high RPM. There’s simply no way my car runs mid-11s by manually short shifting versus the 11.98 to 12.05 I ran in full auto.
I also want to say these are 60-130 times, not 1/4 mile times, i did not spend the time testing 1/4 times both ways after i was told but people much faster then me, and my own testing showed manually shifting at or right before 6k is best.
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