Reviews are in for 2020 Supra MKV preproduction car

[JP_Supra]

Sounds very good.

Hey Brotha what's your insta? Trying to get together some MKV Friends for when this thing drops, do a timesquare takeover.

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[Spilner]

But they never got their rotary from anyone else.. their own identity. Their own tradition.

Mazda was owned by Ford at one point. So it was forced down their throats.

Their flagships never used anything Ford.. example.. RX7, 929 etc. even then it’s not the same comparison. Stop. Just stop.

Toyota begged.. how else do you explain this? The only company that had an inline 6 back in 2012/13 time frame. If it were now they would’ve begged BMW or Benz for an in-line 6. Pathetic. BMW gave them a standard issue B58 series of motor. Not even their S series motors that are more
Suited for race applications.

And for that,BMW got humiliated at SPA, which in turn caused them to shape up the Z4

 

[justbake]

But they never got their rotary from anyone else.. their own identity. Their own tradition.

Mazda was owned by Ford at one point. So it was forced down their throats.

Their flagships never used anything Ford.. example.. RX7, 929 etc. even then it’s not the same comparison. Stop. Just stop.

Toyota begged.. how else do you explain this? The only company that had an inline 6 back in 2012/13 time frame. If it were now they would’ve begged BMW or Benz for an in-line 6. Pathetic. BMW gave them a standard issue B58 series of motor. Not even their S series motors that are more
Suited for race applications.

Not even the same comparison because those models don't exist anymore but whatever you win the game with the rules you made up on the spot in your favor.

Have you driven an E89 Z4? It doesnt handle worth a damn for a roadster. In fact, the only car in their North American lineup that does is the 2 series since it still uses a mechanical rack. BMW needed a convertible that was sporty enough and refined enough to move up-market without being an overpriced sebring. Tada knows how to make a well handling car. Without them coming together, neither model would exist.
The Supra has never been a race car so an S motor doesn't even make sense for it by your definition.

 

[jm6k]

Toyota begged.. how else do you explain this?

They brought a proposal to BMW and BMW agreed?

Begging doesn't usually take place at this level of negotiation. I don't see what form of logic brings you to your conclusion.

Don't get me wrong, I have the same issues with the engine choice as you do.

 

[Jdmuscle]

They brought a proposal to BMW and BMW agreed?

Begging doesn't usually take place at this level of negotiation. I don't see what form of logic brings you to your conclusion.

Don't get me wrong, I have the same issues with the engine choice as you do.

I use the word begging .. just so it makes the same level of sense as a BMW engine in a Toyota flagship car.

 

[PerformanceSound]

McLaren F1
Lotus uses Toyota engines for their Elise, Exige and Evora.

Lotus uses Toyota motors because (as crazy as it sounds) Lotus (and much of any British brand nowadays) is not very profitable....and British motors are crap in general in the reliability department. They are barely staying afloat. If Lotus or McLaren get to a point where they are as profitable as Toyota, they will build in-house power-trains no doubt...just like Jaguar did when they started to see profits increase. Jaguar was pure Ford at one point....once Tata took over and budgets increased, pure British motors were again being utilized (not across the board, but slowly began). Look at Koenigsegg, extremely low production cars, but everything....EVERYTHING...is made in-house, because there is funding for it.

My previous argument, was how is Nissan (who is nowhere near as profitable as Toyota) able to develop not one but two pure sports cars, one of which is a super car all in-house under a general brand name (not their Luxury brand)??? How is Nissan able to resurrect the GTR in a not so profitable market with less budgeting than Toyota??? The answer to this, will let everyone know why the MKV Supra is more a marketing gimmick than a true evolution of the Supra heritage.

To JDMuscles point, the sheer fact that it's not a Japanese built car is enough to classify this car as a "non-traditional Supra." This then begs the question....why on earth did Toyota call it a Supra????

 

[Modal170]

But they never got their rotary from anyone else.. their own identity. Their own tradition.

Mazda was owned by Ford at one point. So it was forced down their throats.

Their flagships never used anything Ford.. example.. RX7, 929 etc. even then it’s not the same comparison. Stop. Just stop.

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Oh, there's a rotary under the Miata?
Oh wait, the Mazda, 3, er, 6, um, maybe the CX 3?

The rotary was a fun engine, that threw itself out of contention thanks to the RX8 and now the only thing unique about Mazda is their skyactiv technology, that has now been linked with Toyota due to the market share.

We'll see the RX9, but I wouldn't be surprised if the RX 9 is made alongside a Toyota Sports car

 

[Jdmuscle]

Not even the same comparison because those models don't exist anymore but whatever you win the game with the rules you made up on the spot in your favor.

Have you driven an E89 Z4? It doesnt handle worth a damn for a roadster. In fact, the only car in their North American lineup that does is the 2 series since it still uses a mechanical rack. BMW needed a convertible that was sporty enough and refined enough to move up-market without being an overpriced sebring. Tada knows how to make a well handling car. Without them coming together, neither model would exist.
The Supra has never been a race car so an S motor doesn't even make sense for it by your definition.

Hey.. I didn’t make up any rules. Just saying.. a mainstream manufacturer using another make’s engine for their flagship.

I’m perfectly fine with this car.. just don’t capitalize on the name ‘Supra’ to make money on a project that shows nothing of what Toyota can do besides ‘hey we know how to save money’ . Call it something else.

 

[LEG1T]

Can this thread go back to new developments and reviews? lol

I keep coming here thinking there's new info and nope just more offtopic stuff

 

[PerformanceSound]

Can this thread go back to new developments and reviews? lol

I keep coming here thinking there's new info and nope just more offtopic stuff

Lmao...welcome to the mosh pit.

 

[Jdmuscle]

Oh, there's a rotary under the Miata?
Oh wait, the Mazda, 3, er, 6, um, maybe the CX 3?

The rotary was a fun engine, that threw itself out of contention thanks to the RX8 and now the only thing unique about Mazda is their skyactiv technology, that has now been linked with Toyota due to the market share.

We'll see the RX9, but I wouldn't be surprised if the RX 9 is made alongside a Toyota Sports car

Rotaries are unique to their RX line up of cars and Cosmos. Not.. for the Miata. Mazda did a bang up job in bringing back the Miata in the ND guise. Yes, they also partnered with FCA to minimize expense.. they didn’t use a fiat motor or vice versa.

Using the same motor and a different skin is a shame.

 

[Jdmuscle]

Ok ok.. back to topic ... sorry for the confusion.

 

[Rotaryrunner]

Guys .... calm down. It's a fu**ing car!!!! If you don't like it ok, but you don't know a lot about it and have not even driven one... how can you dare to judge.

Let's see what Toyota gives us, no one can change what they come up with. Take it or leave it.

 

[PerformanceSound]

Let's see what Toyota gives us, no one can change what they come up with. Take it or leave it.

If we bark loud enough, you never know...

 

[Nurburgring]

In 15+ years as an active member in several car forums I never once had to use the “ignore” feature. Now I find it very useful. Click on the member name, then in the next menu click ignore. Much better.

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