Well a giant duuuuuh to everything you just said, doesn't disprove my point at all. Where is the benefit today of the billions they dumped into that project? Where's the trickle down tech? Ohhh wow, we have cars with LCD gauges now, like that wouldn't have happened anyways, every single manufacturer today has a digi dash. Where's the super light weight carbon fiber loomed Lexusi we should have from that investment in carbon technology? Oh wait, today's Lexi are heavier then ever. My point quite simply, since you obviously missed it, is if they were going to dump a billion dollars or so down the drain, they could have at least done it on a new in house developed Supra and actually rewarded their legions of loyal fans. The car might have even turned a profit one day, but even if it hadn't it would have brought some love and prestige back to the brand and wow an entire a new generation of future car buyers. But yeah yeah, I know, I've said it enough around here myself, whats done is done and our whining about it won't change a thing (blame Austrailian of the North, he started it).