THIS Is the Manual Toyota Supra [Official Release]

[Evolution]

Interestingly, the auto gets the updated centre console too

https://www.toyota.com/configurator...mission/year/2023/series/gr-supra/model/2372/

I actually like this layout better although my 3 year old would too since the I drive would be right next to him.

Why am I seeing no carbon on the console in the 2nd pic?

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[BMWAF]

I'm pretty sure the automatic one is a rendering error. Take a look at the 2022 version of this picture. It looks like they took this image, and tried to edit it to look like the 2023 manual image, but edited it in a way that makes no sense. There are black shaded parts that shouldn't be there. And also all the mode buttons are missing.

I think you might be right. And lets face it, the launch information coming from the Toyota (US and Canada) websites has been littered with errors so far. Kind of embarrassing really. ?‍

 

[zrk]

Then the reality of a 30% take rate

This is not what take rate means.

 

[zrk]

It's like a daily reminder you had the option.. but still got the auto. ?

Some people just like to go fast ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[WSUPRA]

This is not what take rate means.

How many times are you going to go out of your way to correct people about this?

I also understand what take rate actually means. But I don’t feel the need to correct people every time it’s misused because I also understand people in the automotive community use take rate to refer to the percentage of buyers that select certain options over others. Even if it isn’t the textbook definition.

Let people live lol

 

[zrk]

How many times are you going to go out of your way to correct people about this?

I also understand what take rate actually means. But I don’t feel the need to correct people every time it’s misused because I also understand people in the automotive community use take rate to refer to the percentage of buyers that select certain options over others. Even if it isn’t the textbook definition.

Let people live lol

N times. Where N is the number of times people misuse it. ?

 

[Stvee]

Turns out language is fluid and the definition of words change over time based on how people use them.

 

[White Shadow]

Yeah, "engagement bro". Some people, myself included, find driving a manual transmission to be (*gasp!*) engaging and dare I say it.... a lot of fun. I daily a twin disc clutch equipped 2JZ-GTE car. It is NOT by any means faster than modern performance cars but it sure is fun to drive.

By all means if you don't want a 6MT Supra you have PLENTY of ZF8 automatic Supras to choose from. Buy what makes you happy! To each their own! Some of us are interested in the 6MT models though.

You're missing the entire point if you think everyone who wants a traditional manual transmission in a sportscar that already makes 450hp(ish) stock at the crank is concerned about the ZF8 models being a bit faster to 60mph. The MKV 3.0L is a fast car no matter which transmission you buy it with.

If you want the very fastest model with the most competitive edge on a racetrack then certainly the ZF8 8HP A/T version is what you want. On the street though, and on a personal level it's very subjective. And that's why the transmission option one way or the other is a good thing as long as this generation remains on sale.

I've just come to realize that some people will never understand. And that's okay.

For me, there's never been a car made that can put a smile on my face the way a manual transmission car does. If acceleration was all I cared about, I'd just get a Tesla and call it a day.

 

[White Shadow]

I will go look at it once it is in. But, I am one of the ones who has said all along if i want engagement I will drive my old M3, if i want to go fast at the track will keep the paddle Zupra.

He said production is early sept, he "says" they will have it on lot by end of Oct.

Had to check that your M3 was a BMW and not a Tesla. LOL.

The Tesla M3 (Model 3) will go quite fast at the track.

 

[Rocksandblues]

Had to check that your M3 was a BMW and not a Tesla. LOL.

The Tesla M3 (Model 3) will go quite fast at the track.

well..... yes and no. The tracks rats (i know) that have dipped their toes there have moved on. Certainly, that torque is amazing. The weight makes them hard to corner and is absolutely brutal on brakes and tires. since there are motors and not LSD, it tries to slow one motor down instead of traditionally something locking up. Not a perfect system.

The fast ones on Youtube are basically nothing like what you and I can buy or mod

 

[WSUPRA]

well..... yes and no. The tracks rats (i know) that have dipped their toes there have moved on. Certainly, that torque is amazing. The weight makes them hard to corner and is absolutely brutal on brakes and tires. since there are motors and not LSD, it tries to slow one motor down instead of traditionally something locking up. Not a perfect system.

The fast ones on Youtube are basically nothing like what you and I can buy or mod

This is spot on. Tesla’s are quick on track for a few laps, but they are extremely susceptible to brake fade due to their weight.

 

[AHP]

FWIW my local track has banned EV. There was wreck and a subsequent fire that the emergency crew was unable to get under control within their parameters.

 

[KahnBB6]

I've just come to realize that some people will never understand. And that's okay.

For me, there's never been a car made that can put a smile on my face the way a manual transmission car does. If acceleration was all I cared about, I'd just get a Tesla and call it a day.

Agreed. And for all the pre-hybrid and pre-EV sportscar designs that's just where I personally stand. Personally I'm not class racing what I drive... I'm just enjoying driving it and I enjoy manual transmissions a lot and wish to add a new manual car alongside it soon while they are still on sale.

...

On the other hand since I love driving engaging cars and will continue to I am *also* interested in all the bleeding edge performance hybrid gas-electric and performance 100% EV sportscar technology... much of which frustratingly isn't in production yet which would begin to bring the battery weight down considerably, allow for handling closer to what we are currently used to and allow for sustained brutal driving without overheating into limp mode and draining the pack extremely quickly.

...But sparan Teslas dominated by screens or any currently available EV aren't examples of that. Stupid fast 0-60 in a straight line for a few quick pulls is not it. And I don't count EV crossovers and EV SUVs. Barf.

Porsche, GR, Hyundai notably are making promising R&D progress to this end though. I digress, but I am well aware that there will be a future for fun and engaging sportscars, hatches, muscle cars, supercars, etc. without manual transmissions.

Those technologies will get better. They will be different but I don't feel the current production examples out there as of 2022 are fully representative of how fun and high performance will always be in coming years as to electrified or full electric enthusiast cars.

Right now however, it's possible to offer the current generation of cars like the Supra, 86, Corolla, Nissan Z, Civic Type R, Mustang, Camaro (as it lasts), Cadillac sedans, BMW M2 and M3/M4, Hyundai N, Subaru WRX, VW Golf GTI, Porsche 911's, current Porsche Caymans, etc. with manual transmissions. So why not enjoy them if you like those kinds of cars?

They won't be available with manual transmissions much longer so this is the time to enjoy them other than what manual fun car(s) you already own or buy used and hang on to as classics.

I'm ultimately optimistic about the future of engaging and fun enthusiast cars in a not quite yet post-manual, post-DCT, post-conventional-automatic and later post-ICE era. But *right now* these awesome machines are still sold and so... why not if you like them? And if you don't any longer or never did, that's fine too! But some of us always will like manual cars.

I do not mean to take this thread off-topic! I'm just trying to give some long view perspective into how great it is to have awesome manual car options available to us for *right now* while also acknowledging that this will not always be the case due to emissions and fuel economy regulations being what will finally make them impossible to offer any longer in new cars.

There will be many fun and engaging new enthusiast cars that will excite us later on. Right now however is the time to enjoy a brand new manual car that you've always wanted... and that's why the new 6-speed manual turbo RWD Supra stands out.

For fun cars with non-hybrid gasoline engines there is nothing like a three-pedal manual transmission in my personal opinion but it is subjective so to each their own

 

[FLtrackdays]

well..... yes and no. The tracks rats (i know) that have dipped their toes there have moved on. Certainly, that torque is amazing. The weight makes them hard to corner and is absolutely brutal on brakes and tires. since there are motors and not LSD, it tries to slow one motor down instead of traditionally something locking up. Not a perfect system.

The fast ones on Youtube are basically nothing like what you and I can buy or mod

Spot on @Rocksandblues. Until electric batteries get smaller (weigh less), the Tesla is a nice car, but a fat pig on the track. You just won't get the exit speed on any current Tesla on track. This BMW straight six in this car is brilliant. I love even more that the Supra weighs less and cost less than it's BMW counterpart. It's really hard to find a good power to weight track car at this price point.

 

[Fwg]

Just got a call from the sales manager. They have allocated 2023 A91-MT CU Later grey I ordered back in May. He said my A91-MT built date will be 08/29

Not sure if anyone feels the same way I do.

I really wanted an A91-MT because it’s a special edition for the return of the manual transmission. I’d be honored to have one. However, comparing the differences with a premium model, all I’d get are the red badge, red strut bars, better stereo system and a tan leather interior. It will surely come with a hefty dealer markup if I can even get lucky to get one, yet I don’t like the tan interior and I don’t really care too much about sound systems; I bet the badge and strut bars can be painted or the aftermarket versions can be ordered cheaply later. I’d pick the burnout white if I get one but then I’d need to spend further additional money for it.

I just wish Toyota can make it actually special, not just the hype of “special edition”. I bet for the upcoming year models they would gradually make further updates such as functional vents. Keep buyers buying new models with pre-planned updates.

Just a wish. I still really appreciate Toyota for making the manual Supra after all.

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