BM3 or MHD ?

[Extreme Power House]

this isnt entirely accurate. BM3 tunes are made by Halim last i checked, Halim iirc is HCP performance which is a third party tuner/shop. Who just happens to partner with BM3/Protuning freaks.

Halim is a PTF employee; that's been confirmed a few times on the forums.


Also, Dzenno, the owner of PTF, is one of the most influential BMW tuners ever. People from the BMW N54 days know him well for his custom Cobb maps. He is a significant figure in BMW and now Supra tuning.

I'm trying to convey that PTF is a complete tuning company with tuners, software engineers, dynos, and in-house production of all additional hardware.

On the other hand, MHD develops software but relies on third parties for everything else, including maps, dynos, and hardware.

These two companies might offer similar products, but their approach is entirely different. I prefer PTF for the reasons mentioned, but you and everyone else are entitled to your opinion.

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[Twisted Tuning]

Halim is a PTF employee, thats been confirmed a few times on the forums.

it still literally does not matter.

https://hc-performance.com/

thats halims own company.

insinuating that the OTS is better because one tuner is paid under the main company makes no sense is my main point.

 

[Tacoma714]

not really. MHD has ReFlex integration, while BM3 does not. while MHD took forever to catch up, it is not the inferior tuning platform here

That's a good point. Reflex on MHD+ is huge. I guess it just depends the personal preference or power goals the person has.

 

[Twisted Tuning]

That's a good point. Reflex on MHD+ is huge. I guess it just depends the personal preference or power goals the person has.

Personal preference sure.

Power goals, why do power goals matter? Just curious before I answer

 

[Twisted Tuning]

Halim is a PTF employee; that's been confirmed a few times on the forums.


Also, Dzenno, the owner of PTF, is one of the most influential BMW tuners ever. People from the BMW N54 days know him well for his custom Cobb maps. He is a significant figure in BMW and now Supra tuning.

I'm trying to convey that PTF is a complete tuning company with tuners, software engineers, dynos, and in-house production of all additional hardware.

On the other hand, MHD develops software but relies on third parties for everything else, including maps, dynos, and hardware.

These two companies might offer similar products, but their approach is entirely different. I prefer PTF for the reasons mentioned, but you and everyone else are entitled to your opinion.

Ok, you added more context after I replied.

I'm not taking anything away from Dz, I was there in N54 cobb days as well. And I know him.

It just seemed like you were making it like the OTS maps were better or worse based on them having an
Employee tuner on the payroll. Which I didn't agree with.

It's basically the same thing different recipe. Both are great platforms, so in that respect, neither approach seems problematic in itself.

 

[Tacoma714]

Personal preference sure.

Power goals, why do power goals matter? Just curious before I answer

I probably misspoke. I've been watching this thread since I'm barely going to ship out my ECU, but I don't have any experience or authority speaking on this subject. I'm trying to learn from everyone here and by asking questions. I honestly thought that MHD+ due to Reflex would allow someone to push more power. False?

 

[Twisted Tuning]

I probably misspoke. I've been watching this thread since I'm barely going to ship out my ECU, but I don't have any experience or authority speaking on this subject. I'm trying to learn from everyone here and by asking questions. I honestly thought that MHD+ due to Reflex would allow someone to push more power. False?

oh ok, Ecutek, BM3, MHD all can make the same power.

Currently with some new releases from MHD though, they pushed the envelope further with MHD+ by doing some custom code work to fix (extend) the airflow limits of the factory DME to allow more proper tuning at very high power and airflow. This allows less tune spoofing. basically a better way to same power potential. much better for the car and etc.

 

[Extreme Power House]

Ok, you added more context after I replied.

I'm not taking anything away from Dz, I was there in N54 cobb days as well. And I know him.

It just seemed like you were making it like the OTS maps were better or worse based on them having an
Employee tuner on the payroll. Which I didn't agree with.

It's basically the same thing different recipe. Both are great platforms, so in that respect, neither approach seems problematic in itself.

I didn't add any context after you responded. I edited my post immediately after submitting it, about half an hour before your response. You might have received an email notification with the original post and missed the edit.

I did not say anything about which maps are better, and I did not even discuss who is better. I just pointed out that they operate differently, which is what you just said, "different recipes."

here is my original post again
"Bm3
They are a full tuning shop; they make their own maps, software, in-house dyno, and hardware kits to work with their tuner.
MHD only makes the software, and they buy their maps from third-party tuners."

I disagree with you regarding Halim, an employee who follows PTF guidelines, while you are an independent tuner adhering to your company's policies. I strongly disagree that there's no difference between an employee and an independent contractor. But again, we can disagree; there is nothing wrong with that.


Everything else with PTF is in-house, it's a third party with MHD. Maybe it's not a big deal to you and a lot of customers and thats fine, im just pointing out that they are different and I dont think anyone disagrees with that.

 

[Tacoma714]

oh ok, Ecutek, BM3, MHD all can make the same power.

Currently with some new releases from MHD though, they pushed the envelope further with MHD+ by doing some custom code work to fix (extend) the airflow limits of the factory DME to allow more proper tuning at very high power and airflow. This allows less tune spoofing. basically a better way to same power potential. much better for the car and etc.

How long do you think it will take for BM3 to update or "catch up" now with this recent MHD+ release?

 

[Extreme Power House]

How long do you think it will take for BM3 to update or "catch up" now with this recent MHD+ release?

Twisted Tuning is an MHD tuner; they dont offer Bootmod3.
if you have questions regarding bm3, I recommend asking them directly for the most accurate answer.

 

[Twisted Tuning]

How long do you think it will take for BM3 to update or "catch up" now with this recent MHD+ release?

you would need to ask BM3. I believe they are about to release their Rev2 board at some point this month or next. Rev2 is their offering to compete with the Reflex+ controller. As for the other custom code features under the hood. that im not sure,so definitely a question for BM3 to answer.

 

[Twisted Tuning]

Twisted Tuning is an MHD tuner; they dont offer Bootmod3.
if you have questions regarding bm3, I recommend asking them directly for the most accurate answer.

i am a TUNER. and use several platforms to tune all the cars that i choose to support. some of which arent even in the BMW realm. I tuned on BM3 for a long time when they first released. Although i havent in recent times done custom tunes using BM3 (by choice). I still constantly answer help emails and etc pertaining to BM3.

but the last part of your comment is accurate. for the most accurate release times, ask BM3.

 

[Extreme Power House]

i am a TUNER. and use several platforms to tune all the cars that i choose to support. some of which arent even in the BMW realm. I tuned on BM3 for a long time when they first released. Although i havent in recent times done custom tunes using BM3 (by choice). I still constantly answer help emails and etc pertaining to BM3.

but the last part of your comment is accurate. for the most accurate release times, ask BM3.

I dont get what you mean by the first thing you said "I am a TUNER", I know you are a tuner and i never said you are not, you are an excellent tuner from what I heard. But you dont offer bootmod3 as I can tell from your website. thats all i said.

 

[razorlab]

But for people saying BM3 has more tables, thats not accurate at all. i have access to the entire ecu all the time as a tuner on MHD

Did you get xml files from MHD that have more complete definitions than what MHD has on their GitHub? Because their GitHub files are like 1/4 of the available tables, if not less.

I’ve been curious about MHD but the lack of tables based on those files keeps me away, so I would love to know if there is a way to get more complete definition files.

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