Has anyone ridden in a Tesla Plaid?

[DisMahhhlon]

I’d really be worried about the Chinese EVs reliability and privacy policies. Unless they built them over here and had the same oversight & regulations.

I’ve only been in my son-in-law‘s 2024 Tesla Model 3 performance on a more regular basis and it appears to be a big step up in quality. Plus they worked on a few other issues people were complaining about in the past. Which is understandable for any new car company, at least to me. The other Teslas I’ve been in, including the Plaid S were fun but I’ve heard as well what Jay was saying. People going through tires & brakes that were too small. They now make aftermarket wheels and adjustable suspension parts (similar to ours), which will help with that.

So again… I really think for the money, the 2024 Model 3 is a great buy and do a lot better than the previous model 3s. And as far as any short term market concerns - people trashing Teslas - only provides more incentive for people who actually like our tax dollars being audited for fraud, waste & abuse to buy them. I had a friend go out and buy one of those butt fugly Cybertruck Beast in show of support the other way. That short term negative publicity will eventually backfire since it‘s based on emotions w/out real standing. It’s the same old Hollywood elite wokeism & other people with TDS selling them at a fraction of their cost. Which will only push more people into the brand who couldn’t otherwise afford to buy one. Add to the fact, most of the country doesn’t give a rats ass about someone’s over the (mental) edge politics.

Lucid is beautiful but mega expensive & has far less suppliers. Economies of scale at working. That’d be my only fear of that one or Lotus. At least Lotus is in your immediate area. An old track buddy who now lives in CA was showing me pics of his Model 3 performance yesterday. He‘s wants to track that mofo. I seen more of them in Sebring tracking than Homestead. Helps there are multiple aftermarket companies now making parts for them. So I wouldn’t buy all the hype that Teslas are going away - from the one sided media just yet.

Eh... Anyone who's legitimately concerned about tax dollars and fraud would actually be anti-Elon, as DOGE has consistently made mistakes and lied about what it has cut since its inception. Claiming to end contracts that actually ended decades ago, claiming they saved 8 billion via ICE contracts but it was 8 *million*, claiming they saved $655 Million in cuts from USAID but it was actually one cut that was counted 3 times.... I could go on and on. And after being called out by the media over stuff like this, they deleted the top 5 savings claims and have since stopped publishing which grants were getting cut altogether.

Claiming that it's "wokeism", "TDS", and no real standing doesn't make sense. There are plenty of legitimate and verified reasons to not want to support Tesla, and it's not just Americans who've turned on the brand, sales have plummeted in a number of countries and that's reflected in the stock price. If people want to buy one, they'll do it, but buying a Tesla just to glaze a billionaire sounds deranged to me lol. It's not really political to think there should be transparency when an unelected official who has financial conflicts of interest is given access to your social security info, health records, income data, even notes from your therapy sessions. It's a dramatic swing in perspective when the "Don't Tread on Me" crowd is now fine with being tread on as they think it owns the libs/wokes lol.

Ultimately, we need more competition. EVs are great and the more affordable they become, the better for everyone, even Tesla lovers. If people have been willing to ignore decades of Tesla having terrible build quality, recall after recall, and being the car brand with the most fatal car accidents, I don't see a reason why a Chinese car should elicit concerns, outside of politics anyway.

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[Ducatijay]

Lots of Tesla bashing with misinformation again.

 

[DisMahhhlon]

Lots of Tesla bashing with misinformation again.

Where? Mostly I've seen universal praise for how fast they are, criticisms over the lack of driving "spirit" elsewhere, which is subjective and can't really be considered bashing, and various concerns over build quality depending on model year/gen, which is well documented by Tesla owners at this point.

Seems pretty balanced, especially considering the average ICE owners feelings about Tesla on the internet lol

 

[FLtrackdays]

Eh... Anyone who's legitimately concerned about tax dollars and fraud would actually be anti-Elon, as DOGE has consistently made mistakes and lied about what it has cut since its inception. Claiming to end contracts that actually ended decades ago, claiming they saved 8 billion via ICE contracts but it was 8 *million*, claiming they saved $655 Million in cuts from USAID but it was actually one cut that was counted 3 times.... I could go on and on. And after being called out by the media over stuff like this, they deleted the top 5 savings claims and have since stopped publishing which grants were getting cut altogether.

Claiming that it's "wokeism", "TDS", and no real standing doesn't make sense. There are plenty of legitimate and verified reasons to not want to support Tesla, and it's not just Americans who've turned on the brand, sales have plummeted in a number of countries and that's reflected in the stock price. If people want to buy one, they'll do it, but buying a Tesla just to glaze a billionaire sounds deranged to me lol. It's not really political to think there should be transparency when an unelected official who has financial conflicts of interest is given access to your social security info, health records, income data, even notes from your therapy sessions. It's a dramatic swing in perspective when the "Don't Tread on Me" crowd is now fine with being tread on as they think it owns the libs/wokes lol.

Ultimately, we need more competition. EVs are great and the more affordable they become, the better for everyone, even Tesla lovers. If people have been willing to ignore decades of Tesla having terrible build quality, recall after recall, and being the car brand with the most fatal car accidents, I don't see a reason why a Chinese car should elicit concerns, outside of politics anyway.

Yes he can only point to areas of interest. And hopefully government will turn around and trim the fat. Regular businesses in America have to operate the same way. So why not agencies that have been operating without accountability for so long? Change is tough, no doubt. I understand that everything will not be perfect. I don’t ever think we’ll every reach that utopia. But this it’s a step in the right direction, to me at least and won’t sway my decision to buy a Tesla

I could be wrong ofc and Tesla will never come back after Cheryl Crow got rid of hers. Maybe we need condoms for small countries and Sesame Street in underserved remote areas. But I’d rather put my tax dollars closer to home and stay out of those issues. More accountability for our money spent would be nice. But again, that’s just my opinion. And I’m glad we both still have one. So people who want Nissans over Toyotas, all for it - as long as I’m not forced to drive one, over my choice. I want to personally to review the data and fallacies behind them. Not have someone else tell me what we’re supposed to think & do for stuff like this. Whether it be Max Verstappen skills as a driver or how many masks I need to wear while we flatten the two week curve. I’d rather wait for more evidence over feeling based Tesla smashing. That’s all.

Lots of Tesla bashing with misinformation again.

Glad it’s working for you. They’re relatively new mass production products. Maybe all the other one were better (especially the charging stations) when they first came out. I never owned one or more to compare them. But i did look up how many government funded charging station were built & what the cost was per station. It doesn’t sound very efficient to me. Silly AI ? response below:

Based on the data, each fully functional charging station built with tax dollars alone cost approximately $16.8 million per station.

maybe it’s wrong and there is no bias to any of it ?‍

 

[Ducatijay]

Where? Mostly I've seen universal praise for how fast they are, criticisms over the lack of driving "spirit" elsewhere, which is subjective and can't really be considered bashing, and various concerns over build quality depending on model year/gen, which is well documented by Tesla owners at this point.

Seems pretty balanced, especially considering the average ICE owners feelings about Tesla on the internet lol

I actually was referring to your post:

1. You said sales plummeted - Fact is model y is the best selling car in the world for several years in a row.

2. You said terrible build quality - Fact is most concerns are for random squeaks and panel gaps. Rarely is there an issue of drivability.

3. You said most fatalities - Fact is we need to compare this number to overall accidents. iSeecars didn't do that. And why do Tesla have the highest safety rating in IIHS. Plus you how many of these fatalities were driver error? Bonus Fact, you had a doctor, in California, that drove his tesla off a cliff with his wife and 2 small children. Dropped 330ft and they all survived!!!

4. You said recall after recall - Fact is Tesla isn't afraid to recall something. Plus most "recalls" are done with over-the-air updates. Look up how many times any other vehicle manufacturer voluntarily recalls it's product.

Hope that clears things up for you.

 

[FLtrackdays]

I actually was referring to your post:

1. You said sales plummeted - Fact is model y is the best selling car in the world for several years in a row.

2. You said terrible build quality - Fact is most concerns are for random squeaks and panel gaps. Rarely is there an issue of drivability.

3. You said most fatalities - Fact is we need to compare this number to overall accidents. iSeecars didn't do that. And why do Tesla have the highest safety rating in IIHS. Plus you how many of these fatalities were driver error? Bonus Fact, you had a doctor, in California, that drove his tesla off a cliff with his wife and 2 small children. Dropped 330ft and they all survived!!!

4. You said recall after recall - Fact is Tesla isn't afraid to recall something. Plus most "recalls" are done with over-the-air updates. Look up how many times any other vehicle manufacturer voluntarily recalls it's product.

Hope that clears things up for you.

I doubt they’re perfect and I’d rather wait a bit longer. Unlike my wife ?
But glad ur happy with it man. Even Consumer Reports has rated them well over the years over others. But it’s really hard to overcome biases on the short term. Only time will tell if they improve and are better than the ones from China or eslewhere. I hope the other manufacturers step up to the plate. Better yet, do like Toyota and make more hybrids. Maybe that would satisfy the skeptics & satisfy the it’s too early crowd like me.
Poor VW zigged when they should have zagged & is stuck with a truckload of them. Yet if prrices get low enough, ya never know….
Nahhhhh…. More I think about it I don’t want to be stuck on the highway without petrol, hot ? or cold ?. It’d have to be an in town only car for me & we don’t heavy commute. But for some people, man there’s going to be bargains across the board!!!

 

[Ducatijay]

I doubt they’re perfect and I’d rather wait a bit longer. Unlike my wife ?
But glad ur happy with it man. Even Consumer Reports has rated them well over the years over others. But it’s really hard to overcome biases on the short term. Only time will tell if they improve and are better than the ones from China or eslewhere. I hope the other manufacturers step up to the plate. Better yet, do like Toyota and make more hybrids. Maybe that would satisfy the skeptics & satisfy the it’s too early crowd like me.
Poor VW zigged when they should have zagged & is stuck with a truckload of them. Yet if prrices get low enough, ya never know….
Nahhhhh…. More I think about it I don’t want to be stuck on the highway without petrol, hot ? or cold ?. It’d have to be an in town only car for me & we don’t heavy commute. But for some people, man there’s going to be bargains across the board!!!

I got the model 3 performance for my 16 yr old. I like the fact the car charges at home so no gas stations. No regular maintenance. But my biggest reason is all the parental controls on the car. I can set top speed, acceleration, plus geo fencing and curfew.

The plaid is just a different animal. Nothing like it. I know a lot of guys try comparing it to the Lucid, but the reality is the only Lucid that's faster than the plaid is the sapphire. And they only made/making 250 of them.

 

[DisMahhhlon]

I actually was referring to your post:

1. You said sales plummeted - Fact is model y is the best selling car in the world for several years in a row.

2. You said terrible build quality - Fact is most concerns are for random squeaks and panel gaps. Rarely is there an issue of drivability.

3. You said most fatalities - Fact is we need to compare this number to overall accidents. iSeecars didn't do that. And why do Tesla have the highest safety rating in IIHS. Plus you how many of these fatalities were driver error? Bonus Fact, you had a doctor, in California, that drove his tesla off a cliff with his wife and 2 small children. Dropped 330ft and they all survived!!!

4. You said recall after recall - Fact is Tesla isn't afraid to recall something. Plus most "recalls" are done with over-the-air updates. Look up how many times any other vehicle manufacturer voluntarily recalls it's product.

Hope that clears things up for you.

1. I said sales plummeted in a number of countries. This is a verifiable fact:

- Australia? Sales down 71% in February vs the same time last year according to their Electric Vehicle Council. Source

- Germany? Sales down 76% year over year, despite EV sales as a whole growing 31% according to the German Federal Motor Transport Authority. Source

- Norway, Denmark, and Sweden? Sales down 42 - 48% year over year. Source

- France? Sales down 26% year over year according to the French industry group Plateforme Automobile Source


2. Whether it's panel gaps, pedal covers, or whole cosmetic pieces falling off, that's *still* a build quality issue. If you're paying premium for a vehicle, it's reasonable to expect quality reflecting that price. That's why reviewers nitpick things like the feel of buttons, or the use of plastic vs carbon fiber, etc on premium vehicles. It's fine if you only consider drivability, but that's not the only metric build quality measured by. in 2024, Tesla had the largest individual recalls AND the most people affected by recalls of ANY other manufacturer, that's significant considering how few cars they have in their lineup compared to say, Honda.

3. Comparing to overall accidents wouldn't change the data here. They compared fatalities across manufacturers and that's how they arrived at the number. Additionally, multiple things can be true simultaneously. Teslas can have great crash ratings when measuring how riders IN a Tesla are impacted in a crash, yet still be responsible for more fatalities because there was less concern about how OTHER drivers fair when in an accident with a Tesla. Many people were shocked for example with how the Cybertruck making it onto production with few crumple zones and sharp edges should a pedestrian get hit. I personally think driver behavior is a large component in these crashes, as anecdotally, Tesla drivers seem to drive fairly recklessly, and there are a number of incidents of them using self-driving outside of recommended use, but none of that is "misinformation".

4. If I have to go into a dealership or have it done over the air, it doesn't matter. A recall was still issued.

Nothing I've stated is based on Tesla hate or misinformation. Everything is backed by numbers. You can interpret that data to either make it look better or worse based on your feelings about the company, but that doesn't change the fact that sales are down, build quality is hit or miss (albeit anecodtorally getting better), and they've been in more fatal accidents than any other brand.

 

[DisMahhhlon]

Yes he can only point to areas of interest. And hopefully government will turn around and trim the fat. Regular businesses in America have to operate the same way. So why not agencies that have been operating without accountability for so long? Change is tough, no doubt. I understand that everything will not be perfect. I don’t ever think we’ll every reach that utopia. But this it’s a step in the right direction, to me at least and won’t sway my decision to buy a Tesla

I could be wrong ofc and Tesla will never come back after Cheryl Crow got rid of hers. Maybe we need condoms for small countries and Sesame Street in underserved remote areas. But I’d rather put my tax dollars closer to home and stay out of those issues. More accountability for our money spent would be nice. But again, that’s just my opinion. And I’m glad we both still have one. So people who want Nissans over Toyotas, all for it - as long as I’m not forced to drive one, over my choice. I want to personally to review the data and fallacies behind them. Not have someone else tell me what we’re supposed to think & do for stuff like this. Whether it be Max Verstappen skills as a driver or how many masks I need to wear while we flatten the two week curve. I’d rather wait for more evidence over feeling based Tesla smashing. That’s all.


Glad it’s working for you. They’re relatively new mass production products. Maybe all the other one were better (especially the charging stations) when they first came out. I never owned one or more to compare them. But i did look up how many government funded charging station were built & what the cost was per station. It doesn’t sound very efficient to me. Silly AI ? response below:

Based on the data, each fully functional charging station built with tax dollars alone cost approximately $16.8 million per station.

maybe it’s wrong and there is no bias to any of it ?‍

At the risk of going down a political rabbit hole, they're not trimming fat... If they were interested in doing so, they'd be going after the Pentagon almost exclusively, seeing as they've failed every audit since 2018 and are one of the largest drains on tax dollars.

It doesn't make sense to complain about lack of accountability while championing or turning a blind eye to DOGE... which operates without accountability lol. You said a regular business has to operate the same way. If your employer hired a 3rd party to go through their finances and they decided to cut you and other employees by claiming you were not performing your job satisfactory, even though you had years of exemplary performance reviews, you'd just be ok with that? I doubt it. I wouldn't'! A step in the right direction would be to go after bloated lobby industries in the government, not cutting off access to healthcare and benefits for veterans or killing of regulatory bodies that prevent banks and businesses from charging you junk fees.

Again, if you're someone who is PRO information and transparency, why would you be ok with a made up government committee hacking and slashing away at vital aspects of the fed, that constantly makes mistakes and lies, AND has no transparency itself?

Personally, I think people's decisions to support or defend things lack consistency, and everything is now a team sport. I try to check myself often about stuff like this. You mentioned earlier in the thread that your main apprehension to Chinese cars are reliability and privacy concerns, but Teslas themselves are built in China. In fact, the lower production numbers was another metric used to measure whether sales for the corporation as a whole were declining as of late. And with regard to privacy, Tesla collects more data than most car manufacturing companies, and its owner now has unfettered access to *all* of your private info via DOGE with no oversight.

I'm just a little confused as to why one is permissible and one is not, outside of politics.

 

[Ducatijay]

1. I said sales plummeted in a number of countries. This is a verifiable fact:

- Australia? Sales down 71% in February vs the same time last year according to their Electric Vehicle Council. Source

- Germany? Sales down 76% year over year, despite EV sales as a whole growing 31% according to the German Federal Motor Transport Authority. Source

- Norway, Denmark, and Sweden? Sales down 42 - 48% year over year. Source

- France? Sales down 26% year over year according to the French industry group Plateforme Automobile Source


2. Whether it's panel gaps, pedal covers, or whole cosmetic pieces falling off, that's *still* a build quality issue. If you're paying premium for a vehicle, it's reasonable to expect quality reflecting that price. That's why reviewers nitpick things like the feel of buttons, or the use of plastic vs carbon fiber, etc on premium vehicles. It's fine if you only consider drivability, but that's not the only metric build quality measured by. in 2024, Tesla had the largest individual recalls AND the most people affected by recalls of ANY other manufacturer, that's significant considering how few cars they have in their lineup compared to say, Honda.

3. Comparing to overall accidents wouldn't change the data here. They compared fatalities across manufacturers and that's how they arrived at the number. Additionally, multiple things can be true simultaneously. Teslas can have great crash ratings when measuring how riders IN a Tesla are impacted in a crash, yet still be responsible for more fatalities because there was less concern about how OTHER drivers fair when in an accident with a Tesla. Many people were shocked for example with how the Cybertruck making it onto production with few crumple zones and sharp edges should a pedestrian get hit. I personally think driver behavior is a large component in these crashes, as anecdotally, Tesla drivers seem to drive fairly recklessly, and there are a number of incidents of them using self-driving outside of recommended use, but none of that is "misinformation".

4. If I have to go into a dealership or have it done over the air, it doesn't matter. A recall was still issued.

Nothing I've stated is based on Tesla hate or misinformation. Everything is backed by numbers. You can interpret that data to either make it look better or worse based on your feelings about the company, but that doesn't change the fact that sales are down, build quality is hit or miss (albeit anecodtorally getting better), and they've been in more fatal accidents than any other brand.

1. Context is very important. I appreciate you citing your sources. However, and this is the hard part, you failed to ask why? Tesla halted production for the model y, hence they weren't making any to sell. Plus, there is noone denying that the EV field has way more competition now than years ago. So back to Context here, when Tesla was the only one making EVs - they sold more. Yeah, sounds right.

2. This one is even easier. Who ever said Tesla makes premium cars? Concerning price, if that's the matrix for premium, what other brand gives the same technology, performance, and safety (we addressed false claims in the last response) for a lower price. I have driven to the outerbanks just using full self driving autopilot. The car performed flawless over 8 hours. What other car does that?

3. This one is the most interesting. Unequivocally yes, you are not safe if you get hit by a Tesla. Either pedestrian or occupant in another vehicle. We agree on this. Side note - this would make for a great commercial for Tesla.

4. Come on, you're not serious on this one. It doesn't matter that Tesla can fix issues over-the-air while you're sleeping and your car is in the driveway as opposed to schlepping your car to a dealership and being held hostage, having to drink terrible coffee, and watching the people's court on a 25" tv screen until you car is ready.

Speaking of recalls, and since you cited your work, I attached two graphs. Let me know what you think:

 

[Ducatijay]

You mentioned earlier in the thread that your main apprehension to Chinese cars are reliability and privacy concerns, but Teslas themselves are built in China. In fact, the lower production numbers was another metric used to measure whether sales for the corporation as a whole were declining as of late. And with regard to privacy, Tesla collects more data than most car manufacturing companies, and its owner now has unfettered access to *all* of your private info via DOGE with no oversight.

I'm just a little confused as to why one is permissible and one is not, outside of politics.

Misinformation again, yes Teslas are made in China. Yes Teslas are made in Germany. Yes Teslas are made in California. Yes Teslas are made in Texas. Cars are made in the markets they sell in.

Unfettered Access to *all* of your private info??? Nope, you can accept or reject access. Just like your phone, Facebook, any social media, etc.

BTW, I'm trying to stay off the politics topic, but I have one question: are you ok with your government spending not having any accountability?

 

[DisMahhhlon]

1. Context is very important. I appreciate you citing your sources. However, and this is the hard part, you failed to ask why? Tesla halted production for the model y, hence they weren't making any to sell. Plus, there is noone denying that the EV field has way more competition now than years ago. So back to Context here, when Tesla was the only one making EVs - they sold more. Yeah, sounds right.

2. This one is even easier. Who ever said Tesla makes premium cars? Concerning price, if that's the matrix for premium, what other brand gives the same technology, performance, and safety (we addressed false claims in the last response) for a lower price. I have driven to the outerbanks just using full self driving autopilot. The car performed flawless over 8 hours. What other car does that?

3. This one is the most interesting. Unequivocally yes, you are not safe if you get hit by a Tesla. Either pedestrian or occupant in another vehicle. We agree on this. Side note - this would make for a great commercial for Tesla.

4. Come on, you're not serious on this one. It doesn't matter that Tesla can fix issues over-the-air while you're sleeping and your car is in the driveway as opposed to schlepping your car to a dealership and being held hostage, having to drink terrible coffee, and watching the people's court on a 25" tv screen until you car is ready.

Speaking of recalls, and since you cited your work, I attached two graphs. Let me know what you think:

1. I'm only noting the actual data. I can ask why indefinitely about ANY topic, but without access to hard data defining why, it's just conjecture. I never stated why Tesla sales are down, just that they are in a number of countries. If you want dig deeper into the myriad of reasons for that, you can, but me simply citing the fact that sales are down isn't misinformation.

2. Plenty of people have said so. And even though the lower priced models and price cuts may have shifted the overall view of the manufacturer to just a car brand in recent years, the higher end models are *still* considered luxury cars. Source

3. I'm sure Elon would think that's a great edgelord type of advertisement, but the collective Tesla board would not. Being an edgelord can be fun, but Imagine there would be an uptick in Tesla vandalism if they marketed their car as more deadly in crashes to everyone else on the road.

4. I'm very serious. A recall is a recall, doesn't matter where it's performed. Before my Supra, my local Audi dealership would pick your car, drop off a courtesy car, and work on the car whether you were at work or at home. If they needed to do a recall on my vehicle, it wouldn't matter how little I was inconvenienced, as my statement was never about how enjoyable the recall process was...

I saw the two graphs in the post when I shared it. My understanding is those numbers reflect the number of individual models each manufacturer made. So if Tesla has LESS overall models than any of those manufacturers yet still dominates with total individual recalls and people affected, that's not really a plus for Tesla... That just reinforces the notion of Teslas having poor build quality and/or polish.

 

[DisMahhhlon]

Misinformation again, yes Teslas are made in China. Yes Teslas are made in Germany. Yes Teslas are made in California. Yes Teslas are made in Texas. Cars are made in the markets they sell in.

Unfettered Access to *all* of your private info??? Nope, you can accept or reject access. Just like your phone, Facebook, any social media, etc.

BTW, I'm trying to stay off the politics topic, but I have one question: are you ok with your government spending not having any accountability?

Not misinformation. I never said Teslas were only built in China.

And my statement about all private info was with regard to Elon accessing it via DOGE, not via Tesla. I would think someone concerned about their private data would be concerned about a for profit CEO with conflicts of interest having access to your data with little to no restrictions or oversight, but I've been very wrong about people's consistency of beliefs before, so it's all good.

Source

Additionally, I think you might want to use a different word. Nothing shared has been misinformation. It's kind of like saying someone is sharing misinfo if they say water is wet because ice exists... I'm not talking about ice. I'm talking about water.

 

[Ducatijay]

Not misinformation. I never said Teslas were only built in China.

And my statement about all private info was with regard to Elon accessing it via DOGE, not via Tesla. I would think someone concerned about their private data would be concerned about a for profit CEO with conflicts of interest having access to your data with little to no restrictions or oversight, but I've been very wrong about people's consistency of beliefs before, so it's all good.

Source

Additionally, I think you might want to use a different word. Nothing shared has been misinformation. It's kind of like saying someone is sharing misinfo if they say water is wet because ice exists... I'm not talking about ice. I'm talking about water.

How about using misleading instead of misinformation? Man, I can't win an argument to save my life on this site. Lol.

Crazy part is I'm not a die hard Tesla guy. I just feel they get a bad rap from people that never experienced them. I love my Plaid and its my favorite daily. Being a "car guy," I needed to own a 1020hp 4dr people mover. Everything else the car offers is a bonus.

Back to DOGE, there has to be oversight on info gathering. We need to trim the fat. Republican or Democrat, we should agree that our government is unnecessarily bloated. And career government employees shouldn't accumulate such wealth.

Anyway, gotta go mount my new tires on the Supra now...

 

[DisMahhhlon]

How about using misleading instead of misinformation? Man, I can't win an argument to save my life on this site. Lol.

Crazy part is I'm not a die hard Tesla guy. I just feel they get a bad rap from people that never experienced them. I love my Plaid and its my favorite daily. Being a "car guy," I needed to own a 1020hp 4dr people mover. Everything else the car offers is a bonus.

Back to DOGE, there has to be oversight on info gathering. We need to trim the fat. Republican or Democrat, we should agree that our government is unnecessarily bloated. And career government employees shouldn't accumulate such wealth.

Anyway, gotta go mount my new tires on the Supra now...

I think it can only be misleading if it's deceptive, whether intentionally or not. That's why I'm very careful with my word choices.

I could have said Tesla sales are down because he's a jerk, they're not good cars, or have more competition. Each of those can be true to some degree and untrue. But instead I simply said sales are down. People will defend or pile on based on their biases towards Tesla and/or Elon.

I agree completely that Teslas and EVs as a whole get a bad rap by people who've never driven them. I was very impressed by somethings when I rented one for several weeks and annoyed by others. I actually think Tesla would be much better off without Elon, he has too much baggage.

Regarding DOGE, I'm an independent. It just seems to me that every current accusation is a confession. I'll just say it's very funny to watch people who held various beliefs and ideals switch up when the think they're not going to be affected. Even funnier when they end up getting affected anyway. Leopards eating a lot of faces these days lol.

Enjoy the new tires!

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