I don't know about other countries, but EVs have largely reached saturation point in Australia: Those who wanted an EV now have one. Also, our market has been flooded by new Chinese EVs. Another factor is that depreciation on EVs is much higher than ICE cars fueling the downturn. This was all before Trump was voted in and Elon became a part of the administration.
Just want to reiterate that I've never speculated as to WHY sales are down in numerous countries, just that they are. I think it makes a ton of sense that more EV options leads to less Tesla sales. I don't think Elon being so polarizing helps that situation, but ultimately, it's kind of irrelevant.
I don't know about other countries, but EVs have largely reached saturation point in Australia: Those who wanted an EV now have one. Also, our market has been flooded by new Chinese EVs. Another factor is that depreciation on EVs is much higher than ICE cars fueling the downturn. This was all before Trump was voted in and Elon became a part of the administration.
And finally, nobody really takes the Guardian seriously here, for the record.
Like the headline, "Supra Sales Plummet," with the context I have provided, the Guardian's "Australian Tesla sales plummet as owners rush to distance themselves from Elon Musk" is clearly a bullshit headline. The connection between the two phrases they use, are at best tenuous or at worst, flat out wrong.
And that is the key point my brotha from the land down unda! Looking at your sources and make your own decisions. All EV sales are down and have been prior to Elon helping out the newly awake admin for free.
Did I say that it didn't matter? A lot of strawman arguments here. There are a few possible reasons why Tesla sales are dropping worldwide. Saturation? Sure. Competition? Sure. Elon being polarizing? Sure.
It doesn't matter what the headline is if I didn't reference the headline in my citation. All that matters is whether or not the claim I made is backed by a verifiable fact. I said sales for Tesla dropped by 71% compared to the MONTH prior. That data came from the Electric Vehicle Council, not The Guardian's own investigation.
TLDR; Did I not mention I don't care. ?Did I say that it didn't matter? A lot of strawman arguments here. There are a few possible reasons why Tesla sales are dropping worldwide. Saturation? Sure. Competition? Sure. Elon being polarizing? Sure.
Not once did I specify any cause or discredit any proposed explanation for the drop in sales, production, and stock price. What's ironic is that The Guardian literally makes the SAME arguments as you lol. They mentioned that demand for EVs was slipping away in favor of hybrids, and that there was increased competition from Chinese EV makers... How strange lol
It doesn't matter what the headline is if I didn't reference the headline in my citation. All that matters is whether or not the claim I made is backed by a verifiable fact. I said sales for Tesla dropped by 71% compared to the MONTH prior. That data came from the Electric Vehicle Council, not The Guardian's own investigation.
If we're going to emphasize Critical Thinking, then I think that would include not using logical fallacies and instead just attacking what I *actually* said, vs whatever arguments anyone assumes I did. And if we're going to use critical thinking, are we really going to explain a 70% drop in sales of a SPECIFIC brand in *ONE* month as chiefly the result of market saturation and competition? Even as sales of other EVs did not drop by similar amounts in one month? And it just so happens to be one month from when the CEO embroiled himself in various controversies from an enthusiastic hand gesture to support for polarizing Italian parties?
As for whether or not Musk is impacting new Tesla sales and the behaviors of existing owners, there's plenty of evidence for that as well. I'm not Australian, so I don't know which publication over there is *respected*, but anyway:
According to polls by YouGov, Tesla as a Brand has continually declined over time. It's in the negatives:
From ABC: "Stephen Lester, CEO of the Australian branch of the global market insights company Cox Automotive, says the scale of Tesla's sales fall is 'significant'".
"It's definitely cause for interest," he says. "Interest in EVs is growing and not declining and therefore one would be interested in why Tesla is being affected."
He later points out the same arguments as you (and The Guardian), highlighting competition and such. He also notes that the target demo has changed, and as EV buyers shift from being higher income early adopting middle aged men who remain loyal to the brand and/or Elon, to lower income families with a variety of backgrounds and ages, Elon's behavior and actions could move those potential EV buyers away from Tesla. Source
In fact, it's almost impossible to find a single article about Tesla's sales decline that DOESN'T reference polls, anecdotes, and statements from market analysts stating Elon's words and actions aren't impacting the brand.
So if we're using critical thinking, clearly there's enough evidence for both correlation AND causation regarding Elon and Tesla sales, albeit not exclusively. This really shouldn't be that controversial of an observation, but I understand that people who really like a public figure or have a strong attachment to a given ideology or worldview will go to great lengths to protect them when they are challenged. I'm ok with, no harm, no foul!
But that's not what the sources say lol. The sources are showing that there was a dramatic drop off in sales in ONE MONTH. The month after Elon's hand salute and support for controversial political groups in Italy.
I don't usually reply several times when I don't care, but all good homie!TLDR; Did I not mention I don't care. ?
The amount of whiplash I’ve had over the years as people toss away things they claimed to care about so deeply over the latest social media post or statement by their politician of choice ???
It goes both ways. You’d love that Clinton Jaws podcast. He finds exactly the same from dem other peeps ? True story ? LOL
That’s just more of that wonderful socialist mindset, if I hear you correctly. I definitely don’t care about team politics. I do indeed care about certain issues and vote accordingly. Freedom of speech (or the lack thereof was especially scary in the setting of Covid), wide open boarders, men in women’s sports, dumb shit like that. Everyone isn’t the same and that is what makes the world a better place to me.
Wait wut?!? When did Elon Musk get my health records. Wow… was that from a Joy Reid podcast or the View? Yes there was Russia collusion, no Biden laptop & all charges against bad orange man were never weaponized. He actually claimed the wrong value on his Mar-a-Lago home & deserves to go to jail! We’d all be in bad shape if that was true, obtaining bank loans & estimating the value.
to that & enjoy that mofo. It’s so worth it!!!! And the Tesla plaid acceleration is INSANE. They named that mode well.
How wide open should the boarder be?
Yeah it’s fun to mess up brakes with breaks as well. Especially on a car forum ?How wide open should the boarder be?
I'm not even going to bother on all the other things you parroted.
