Daily Drivers w/ Upgraded Turbo Thread

[jyip03]

Hey!

I wanted to create a thread for the people daily driving their Supras with upgraded turbos.

There are threads that discuss getting more power and the turbos themselves:

GR Supra 101: Routes to big power
Hybrid turbo sizes
6 Port Supra B58 Big Turbo Options

I wanted this thread for the Daily Drivers with Upgrade Turbos.
-How did you decide what turbo to go with?
-How long has it been since you've had it installed?
-Have you had any issues? What were they?
-Any tips/advice for people wanting to upgrade their turbo on their Supra that's daily driven?

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[jyip03]

I am currently thinking about wanting to upgrade the turbo, which is why I wanted to make this thread. Looking for feedback and discussion.

I wanted to go Pure, but it seems like they have had such a bad rep on this forum. My shop says they are fine. Thoughts?

 

[jmikes]

I wanted to go Pure, but it seems like they have had such a bad rep on this forum. My shop says they are fine. Thoughts?

From what I've heard if you get the new housing (no core deposit / sending in your core) the newer Pure's are really strong and reliable.

 

[_Sp1ral0ut]

I am currently thinking about wanting to upgrade the turbo, which is why I wanted to make this thread. Looking for feedback and discussion.

I wanted to go Pure, but it seems like they have had such a bad rep on this forum. My shop says they are fine. Thoughts?

There were mixed opinions before they started making their own casting -when they modified the stock core. It's what I'll be going with.

 

[jyip03]

There were mixed opinions before they started making their own casting -when they modified the stock core. It's what I'll be going with.

Are you doing 800, 850, or 900?

 

[_Sp1ral0ut]

Are you doing 800, 850, or 900?

Pure 800.

I am in a constant battle with myself - "Self, ... " and I know it was me because I recognized the voice and it was wearing my underwear - "...Pure 800 or 900?" - but honestly I don't think I'll ever take it to the point where I would really need a 900 over the 800. Goal is 530ish to 600ish. But I think I would one day be there to take it to that point...but I won't....maybe I will...nah.

Pure 800. Final answer.


For now, but also maybe forevs.

 

[Thraxbert]

I have the Omega 65 turbo. At the time, it was the first and only full-fat mid-frame turbo that installed in the OEM location and retained the OEM WG. To be clear: this is not a "hybrid" turbo that chops up the OEM design and stuffs it with a bigger comp wheel. This is a serious 6558 mid frame turbo that happens to live in an exhaust manifold that bolts to the Supra. Water-cooled, ceramic BB CHRA, billet wheels, and nice metallurgy. It ticked all my boxes.

As the engine architecture and thermal design calls for the turbo to be in this area, if was important to me to have a turbo that stayed there. I am a previous customer of Remnant Performance on the Genesis Coupe, and have been running a 70mm turbo from them since 2019, too.

Both Remnant turbos I have are based on the same design/architecture of the Garrett G35, which is a design not owned by Garrett, but merely licensed by them from a turbo ODM. So it's a turbo, charge pipe, air box, heat shield, all the hardware/hoses/fittings. Literally everything you'd need to do the swap for $3800, whereas Pure800 is $2500 plus you have to ship your old turbo back. Nonsense, bro. You should buy a turbo that allows you to make some money from your old one and I sold mine for $800. Net/net this kit cost me $3000 to my door, and the pure is $2500 for the turbo alone, and you still have to ship heavy/expensive OEM turbo back to them.

Today my Supra makes 42 peak PSI on full e85. Spool is ~250 RPM higher than OEM, but this is a turbo that has no problem making 900WHP, whereas the OEM turbo only makes ~550 before it starts getting hot and wheezy.

It has been about 2 years since I installed it, I believe. Long enough that I don't specifically remember anymore. I've never had any major problems with it and install was a breeze. As an extra peace of mind, I know that if I ever have any problems, I can call RP and literally get the owner of the company on the line. It's not to a secretary. It's not to an employee. It's the owner's number.

Based on the specifications, performance, and experience I have witnessed firsthand, I'm not sure why anyone would consider Pure 800 or Pure 900. They are financially a terrible deal compared to the Omega 65, nor do they have any advantage in lived performance.

That's why I chose the Omega 65. I will never recommend any other product for people targeting less than 1000WHP.

 

[jyip03]

Have you tried a pure before going with remanent?

It’s awesome that you’ve had a great experience with the omega 65!

 

[_Sp1ral0ut]

I have the Omega 65 turbo. At the time, it was the first and only full-fat mid-frame turbo that installed in the OEM location and retained the OEM WG. To be clear: this is not a "hybrid" turbo that chops up the OEM design and stuffs it with a bigger comp wheel. This is a serious 6558 mid frame turbo that happens to live in an exhaust manifold that bolts to the Supra. Water-cooled, ceramic BB CHRA, billet wheels, and nice metallurgy. It ticked all my boxes.

As the engine architecture and thermal design calls for the turbo to be in this area, if was important to me to have a turbo that stayed there. I am a previous customer of Remnant Performance on the Genesis Coupe, and have been running a 70mm turbo from them since 2019, too.

Both Remnant turbos I have are based on the same design/architecture of the Garrett G35, which is a design not owned by Garrett, but merely licensed by them from a turbo ODM. So it's a turbo, charge pipe, air box, heat shield, all the hardware/hoses/fittings. Literally everything you'd need to do the swap for $3800, whereas Pure800 is $2500 plus you have to ship your old turbo back. Nonsense, bro. You should buy a turbo that allows you to make some money from your old one and I sold mine for $800. Net/net this kit cost me $3000 to my door, and the pure is $2500 for the turbo alone, and you still have to ship heavy/expensive OEM turbo back to them.

Today my Supra makes 42 peak PSI on full e85. Spool is ~250 RPM higher than OEM, but this is a turbo that has no problem making 900WHP, whereas the OEM turbo only makes ~550 before it starts getting hot and wheezy.

It has been about 2 years since I installed it, I believe. Long enough that I don't specifically remember anymore. I've never had any major problems with it and install was a breeze. As an extra peace of mind, I know that if I ever have any problems, I can call RP and literally get the owner of the company on the line. It's not to a secretary. It's not to an employee. It's the owner's number.

Based on the specifications, performance, and experience I have witnessed firsthand, I'm not sure why anyone would consider Pure 800 or Pure 900. They are financially a terrible deal compared to the Omega 65, nor do they have any advantage in lived performance.

That's why I chose the Omega 65. I will never recommend any other product for people targeting less than 1000WHP.

For a long time I was leaning towards the Omega 65. The reason I started to gravitate to the Pure is for a couple reasons.

There was an issue with the WG arm or some shit wouldn't stay set with the few units that I know of. This was a while back. I waited to see if RP was going update/fix whatever was going on. Watched the live where they said it was the install and was not interested in looking into it further. If they did, I apologize and did not see any updates on it. An update could get my interest again.

The second is I already have some of the parts RP kit comes with and don't want to deal with selling that shit off.

Third, Pure started doing their own cast - no more sending in the core. Slightly better performance than the older units. From the setups I've seen the Omega 65 performances about the same as an 800 or 900, which really isn't a hybrid anymore since it doesn't modify the stock housing ie its own casting. But that is up for debate since the definition of hybrid seems to have shifted.

Again I was all for the Omega 65 when it was new. The owner seems to be a good guy and tolerates my many, many trolls here and on his lives. Even answered quite a few of my questions during the live. Cool guy. Legit. But I don't know if I could invest so much into something from a company that was like "Nah it was the install. Product works as intended." I mean at least investigate that shit. And again if there was follow up then I apologize and may still want that shirt. IYKYK.

 

[razorlab]

Remnant is just like a Pure new casting turbo. Both are new castings with flow advantages in mind that aren't bored out OEM housings. Both you do not need to send in a core. To say it isn't is a false narrative.

The pure 900 is only available in a new casting. Just like Remnant. Other Pures are currently available in both new casting that do not require a core fee, or "stuffed oem cores", which do.

You are telling a false narrative.

I also call BS on only 250rpm spool difference. Show your work.

 

[jyip03]

Personally I don’t care about making money on my old turbo and doesn’t factor into the value for me.

This isn’t to say it’s not important for others, which is the point of this thread: User feedback/experiences.

 

[razorlab]

I ran a Pure700 (not new casting) for approx 40 track events, at times up to 29 psi.

It finally failed at the beginning of this year but I am pretty sure it was because I blew up the OEM charge pipe and it overspun the turbo.

I am currently using a Pure800 (not new casting) and am hoping I have the same luck with it as I did with the Pure700.

Keep in mind track use is basically the same as a couple years of daily driving, if not more. It's basically WOT for 20 mins, 4-5x per event.

 

[jyip03]

Remnant is just like a Pure new casting turbo. Both are new castings with flow advantages in mind that aren't bored out OEM housings. Both you do not need to send in a core. To say it isn't is a false narrative.

The pure 900 is only available in a new casting. Just like Remnant. Other Pures are currently available in both new casting that do not require a core fee, or "stuffed oem cores", which do.

You are telling a false narrative.

I also call BS on only 250rpm spool difference. Show your work.

Woooo! Thanks for popping in Razorlab!

From your experiences and data, which turbo do you believe is most effective/reliable?

Your thoughts on top mount kits? Bottom mount?

Do you think it’s worth it for daily driven supras?

EDIT: Just saw your post. Thanks for the feedback! Why’d you go pure?

 

[razorlab]

From your experiences and data, which turbo do you believe is most effective/reliable?

I've seen failures from them all. Pure, DAW, Remnant. Had two close track friends that had remnants fail in a day. Had a close track friend that had a Pure fail within a month. Had a track friend go through three DAW's until flipping the table and going custom. So pick your poison and cross your fingers.

Your thoughts on top mount kits? Bottom mount?

Since I track, I stay away from any welded manifolds. They can and will fail.

Do you think it’s worth it for daily driven supras?

Depends on what you are looking for.

EDIT: Just saw your post. Thanks for the feedback! Why’d you go pure?

I bought the Pure700 used for a good deal. It worked well so decided to try the 800 too.

 

[Thraxbert]

@razorlab I specifically said the Pure 800 was core exchange. Maybe you should slow down and read before racing to miss the mark when trying to correct me, or whatever it is you're doing. Furthermore, I also said at the time, which necessarily precludes the existence of the Pure 900.

This is the third time in 6 weeks you've just blown past what I've written in black and white to issue some sort of "correction" to a position I never wrote or expressed. Chill, brother. I'm not here to fight with you. But I do expect you to at least offer me the courtesy of reading my post in full before you get ornery.


The rest is just, like, my opinion, man. Not interested in fighting about your opinion versus my own. I shared my firsthand experience as a customer and explained why I made my selection. Thank you.

Edit:

@_Sp1ral0ut I am familiar with the customer in that live steam and it was the install. I do know of a few customers that had "WG drift" (for lack of a better word), but have heard this was fixed in production and the affected customers were made whole.

I never liked the word "hybrid," specifically because it's linguistic quicksand. Some people say "hybrid" and mean "upgraded turbo that fits in stock location." Others mean "OEM turbo punched and stuffed." I've long wished this community at large would settle on more accurate terminology like "stuffed turbo" (Pure 800) versus mid-frame turbo (Omega, Pure 900) versus top mount (sky's the limit).

I'm glad you're enjoying your upgrade!

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