DC5UPRA
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I'm also stock shocks with H&R springs and verus camber plates. Currently -3.4 up front on 18x10 275 with 13mm spacer. No issues at 10k miles and 16 track days.
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Shift9303
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Is it because the car is lowered? Most references I’ve seen for the -2.7 number is at stock height. I don’t think I saw much camber gain from free compressing the suspension with the springs off the car but I imagine there’s other variables depending on static height.
DC5UPRA
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I believe it does help. Don't quite me on it though. Most people I've seen with verus camber plates whether stock struts or aftermarket are able to easily achieve camber in the 3s
Shift9303
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That's honestly great to hear. I'll have see how much my alignment guy can get. How much do most people aim for with camber front and rear? It's a McPherson car so I imagine on the high end for the front? I know the GR86/BRZ and CTR guys run massive numbers on the front. Might still err on the conservative end as this car will still do some daily and weekend duty.
DC5UPRA
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Depends on your goals, tires being used, etc. for the front. If tracking typically as high as you can get. Rear most seem to aim for between -2 to -2.5 with toe in.
Subydude
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No, as stated I have stock arms. When I installed the plates I push them in until I can feel the top hat rubbing on the shock tower, then very lightly pull it back until it doesn't rub.
Like DC5UPRA said, it is likely due to camber gain from the lowering springs.
As an anecdote, I got a quick toe check alignment before VIR earlier in March. The time prior to that I had a full tank of gas, but this time I was at maybe a quarter of a tank. The loss of weight in the back was enough to change the alignment by a few tenths of a degree of camber which also added some toe in. This is why I usually have the car at a full tank with me in it to make sure the alignment is what it would be on track.
Subydude
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This. -3.6 with zero toe front works for me, but if I could I'd run -4.
I will say I might go down from -2.5 and .2 degrees of toe in per side rear to -2.2ish and .1ish degree of toe in per side. The wear on the tires from VIR showed I wasn't using the rears as much as I should have, so I'd guess I could bump it down slightly. That said, it works well at that level (for me) so I'll probably leave it alone until I feel the need to get another alignment check.
Shift9303
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I think I was on mobile and read through too quickly, didn't catch that you were on stock arms. I wish I tested camber range and then indexed it on the adjustment plate while I had the front apart but didn't have ball-end Allen keys on hand and TBH I was pretty done with the car at that time since the shocks were being a PITA so I just wanted to wrap it up.
If you're on 18s would you be able to give me a rough measurement of your bottom wheel lip to fender ride height? I prefer bottom wheel lip height versus hub center height since I don't trust my eye ball for center. I think the HKS at stock settings are around 593 mm front and 603 mm rear for my car after it had settled.
I'm probably going to aim for -3/-2.2 camber F/R starting off and go from there. Need to take advantage of the camber plates over my friend who went with crash knuckles for class.
Shift9303
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Still waiting for my alignment appointment date. But after doing some basic trig, it seems like my current static camber is -2.25* front and back after lowering roughly 1 inch. The front camber plates are currently still set in their center position. Unfortunately I didn't take measurements prior to lowering so IDK where my car was at before but based on what I can find on the internet OEM front camber is roughly -1.6*? If so it does look like the car has some decent camber gain with compression.
I think I might aim for slightly more front camber around -3.2* to start off with?
I think I might aim for slightly more front camber around -3.2* to start off with?
Shift9303
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I’ve never actually run Hedge Hollow before. Left the KC area right before it opened. Unfortunately probably won’t be able to make it out this year. Work schedule won’t let me off long enough to travel too far. Probably will just be doing laps at Gateway.
Mad0zodi
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Went to town with a 1.5" putty knife and Goo Gone once I finally got the front pads out. Ti backing plates installed in time for NASA Hedge Hollow this weekend.
Adding my arthritic middle finger to all the previous middle fingers that went out to all those involved in the decision to slap adhesive on the back of the brake pad.
@Shift9303, here's hoping your newer build-date car somehow doesn't have the adhesive on the brake pads.
Mad0zodi
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I'm too much of a curmudgeon...gonna chalk it up to a "rite of passage" thing. I guess the silver lining is that a Ti backing plate might be stuck to whichever piston I couldn't remove the adhesive from and I won't have to worry about lining up the next pad.
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