Why I Think Everyone is Wrong About the MKV (Video)

[Spilner]

Maybe an inch or two sure, but 6 inches? That is a little extreme IMO. And angle and camera lens plays a big role as well. In this shot it doesn't look too bad.

How about this one

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[tfoxyr]

Many people , and me too , are hoping the bmw engine will be reliable at least stock and handle many years of beating like the 90s supra and many more toyotas. For extreme tuning i think whatever car you pick it is always a bit of a gamble , toyotas less of a gamble sure but still a gamble.

 

[johnny_10196]

How about this one

Yeah, that is another good example. Best way is to tell would be to actually see in it person. Has anyone here seen it driving around?

 

[Spilner]

Yeah, that is another good example. Best way is to tell would be to actually see in it person. Has anyone here seen it driving around?

i wish

 

[DevonK]

Maybe an inch or two sure, but 6 inches? That is a little extreme IMO. And angle and camera lens plays a big role as well. In this shot it doesn't look too bad.

That shot is oblique, favouring the rear quarter, can't say anything definitive about the nose from it as it's partially hidden.

I agree that 6 inches of excess front bumper overhang might overstate things a bit, probably more like 3-4", but even that has a big impact on how the front looks.

 

[DevonK]

Many people , and me too , are hoping the bmw engine will be reliable at least stock and handle many years of beating like the 90s supra and many more toyotas. For extreme tuning i think whatever car you pick it is always a bit of a gamble , toyotas less of a gamble sure but still a gamble.

The overall impression I get from various sources I've read is that the days of manufacturers overbuilding engines to the point where they can easily handle a 50% or more power boost with a few mods is pretty much over. Powerplant and drivetrain engineering have become both more precise (so overbuilding is not needed to ensure operating reliability) and more cost conscious (as everyone's trying to save every last dime they can in production costs).

 

[johnny_10196]

That shot is oblique, favouring the rear quarter, can't say anything definitive about the nose from it as it's partially hidden.

I agree that 6 inches of excess front bumper overhang might overstate things a bit, probably more like 3-4", but even that has a big impact on how the front looks.

Than what about @Spilner example? Like I said, seeing it in person is best. Camera lens can greatly distort the size of an object.

I'm not sure if you guys have seen the FT-1 blueprints, but there is also quite a bit of overhang on it as well.

 

[Spilner]

Than what about @Spilner example? Like I said, seeing it in person is best. Camera lens can greatly distort the size of an object.

I'm not sure if you guys have seen the FT-1 blueprints, but there is also quite a bit of overhang on it as well.

speaking of, there's a lot more similarities than we are letting on

 

[Spilner]

speaking of, there's a lot more similarities than we are letting on

 

[PerformanceSound]

With all that camo, it really is straying away from the concept. I see similarities in that the camo gear gives us the illusion that the test mule is rock'n the same F1 type nose, side vents, and rear bumper as the FT-1, but in all honesty, the concept looks way better with these features as it a longer, wider, and lower looking car than the test mule. Not to sound like a "let down larry", but look how awkward the test mule looks with all the concept bits on it.

I hope Toyota surprises the hell out of us all and introduces a worthy looking car in production form....I got some money I want to play with and if the FT-1 doesn't live up to the hype, then I am moving to the Nissan dark side for good.

 

[tfoxyr]

The overall impression I get from various sources I've read is that the days of manufacturers overbuilding engines to the point where they can easily handle a 50% or more power boost with a few mods is pretty much over. Powerplant and drivetrain engineering have become both more precise (so overbuilding is not needed to ensure operating reliability) and more cost conscious (as everyone's trying to save every last dime they can in production costs).

Well it is a fact that building engines has become more precise in general . But the sad truth is that not every manufacturer is reliable even in 2017. I am not talking about adding 50% more hp or even 20% to the engine and expect it not to break , i am talking about engines in stock form that have problems . Take a look at Alfa romeo , beautiful cars , powerful cars but unreliable as hell . BMW is not a manufacturer known for its reliability , it's not terrible but it is not great either. On the other hand toyota is the most reliable car manufacturer on the planet. This is one of the reasons i am waiting for this car . I am not saying building a car with bmw puts me off , i am just saying that if this is a toyota car it MUST be very reliable as most toyotas . If this car combines performance with reliability meaning the good from both brands , performane from bmw and reliability from toyota , it sure is a winning recipe.

 

[DevonK]

^^ BMW: they make them reliable enough to get them through the lease/warranty period without having major issues that BMW would have to fix on their dime (in the vast majority of cases) - but after that it's a real crap shoot from what I've read.

Alfa is a joke - even the cars reviewers are sent sometimes break down. But then they are a very minor player in the market.

The fact that the 86 twins are rated very highly by CR for reliability shows that Toyota can do a jointly developed car and still maintain its high reliability standards, so that is encouraging for the Supra's prospects.

 

[DevonK]

With all that camo, it really is straying away from the concept. I see similarities in that the camo gear gives us the illusion that the test mule is rock'n the same F1 type nose, side vents, and rear bumper as the FT-1, but in all honesty, the concept looks way better with these features as it a longer, wider, and lower looking car than the test mule. Not to sound like a "let down larry", but look how awkward the test mule looks with all the concept bits on it.

I hope Toyota surprises the hell out of us all and introduces a worthy looking car in production form....I got some money I want to play with and if the FT-1 doesn't live up to the hype, then I am moving to the Nissan dark side for good.

The longer, lower, wider renderings do look more exotic, but the tradeoffs are greater weight, loss of agility and ease of maneuvering, and poorer visibility. I'd rather sacrifice the exotic bit if needs be to get a smaller, lighter (and cheaper) car.

Speaking of Nissan - someone in my garage just bought a black 370Z - that car still looks good, very muscular. But driver sightlines to the rear are terrible, the Supra will likely do a better job there. The Z's a bargain here now though, you can get the car in Sport trim with big brakes and wheels, LSD, plus rev-matching and Bose for under $34k CAD.

 

[DevonK]

Than what about @Spilner example? Like I said, seeing it in person is best. Camera lens can greatly distort the size of an object.

His example does look better in that respect, but of course different prototypes may have varying levels of padding etc. added - even the same prototype might drop parts of its bulky coverings as time passes, that's common practice.

Anyways, prototypes usually don't start running around in "near-naked" form until a few months before public introduction of the production version, so there's likely a long time to go yet before we get a firm idea of what the front and back will look like.

 

[johnny_10196]

His example does look better in that respect, but of course different prototypes may have varying levels of padding etc. added - even the same prototype might drop parts of its bulky coverings as time passes, that's common practice.

Anyways, prototypes usually don't start running around in "near-naked" form until a few months before public introduction of the production version, so there's likely a long time to go yet before we get a firm idea of what the front and back will look like.

I doubt it, all of the test cars looks exactly the same for the most part.

As I mentioned before, the length of the lens, image sensor size, and distance (not to mention rectilinear distortion) plays a big role in how objects look proportionally in an image. Basically, unless the two images are taken at the same focal distance, on the same sensor, with the same lens, you can't really make an accurate interpretation of scale.

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