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I did a search this morning on a few sites and found very few 2021 units being advertised. All are MSRP (although we know this is no guarantee the dealer isn’t planning to charge a premium). Thinking it might be a few weeks or even months before these are widely available.

Well, it mirrors the “entertainification” of reporting/news in general. YouTube is certainly entertainment. I’d expect real automotive journalism to only really be alive in the narrowest sliver of the segment.

Yeah, he’s not my favorite YouTube hack.

Right out of the gate and with a lot of 2020 inventory? No way. Definitely will be until late fall or early next year before we see prices soften let alone manufacturer incentives. The market is different from 2009 in one key way. Production volume has taken a hit for a variety of reasons...

If it wasn’t obvious, I was referring to the 86 when I said they embrace an underpowered 4 in a sports car. So are you saying they -won’t- sell 20% of the total Supra number? (which we agree is small and not likely to grow significantly) So you think it will be 10%. Should be easy to track.

Don’t see that all. The Celica, MR2 and Supra cars all had manuals and automatics, and while the all trac and MR2 shared drivetrains, the Supra certainly didn’t. They had clearly different segments appealing to totally different buyers. We are saying the same thing about how Germans can get...

You’re not wrong. Many of the BMW performance models quote slightly slower acceleration times for manual transmissions.

Despite the price gap I still think there is benefit to keeping the manual as a draw for the 86. Otherwise they’d have a lot more buyers fleeing from the 86. I’m not sure we are disagreeing that much - I think we just have different expectations. I’m also not convinced that the GS segment was a...

Dealers absolutely do this. My buddy got his GT3 RS because the dealer was willing to sell it out from under the guy who put a deposit but was giving them the run around about executing the deal.

Right, it would be “free”, but Toyota obviously chose not to cannibalize the 86 in the Americas. I think sales volumes of the Supra are low period, and they obviously want to try to bolster them.

Given the platform in 2.0 form exists and was always going to be built anyway by BMW/Steyr I stand by my statement. Nothing is free (notice I used quotation marks) but damn near close. I think they’ll derive disproportionate benefit from minimal input with this 2.0 Supra regardless of the sales...

That was highly highly entertaining

Where in Maryland?

Well, and Toyota basically gets the 2.0 “for free”. The dev work is minimal and all the production for the Z4 was going to happen with the 2.0 anyway. It’s gravy for them.

You are correct, they absolutely do. I have some high end furniture I bought 20 years ago with bright red alcantara and it’s got a much deeper knap than anything I’ve seen in cars. The Audi fabric was smoother but still high quality. It does however show matting and discoloration (although it’s...

Looks like the dealer chain I use has two already...

Rent a car for a month...

Thanks, that’s a good link. The big thing will be how much extra crap they pile on these. Nearly all the 2020s had another $1000-$1500 in PPF and accessories. EDIT More like $2k With the same garbage they threw on my Premium, it’s $58,730 which is about $900 more than the 2020 I had.

Yeah indeed. Alcantara is the dealbreaker for me or I’d be chasing the blue one. Had it in my S4 and I hated how it aged, not to mention how blazing hot it was.

Those are the real numbers. $500 bucks more for the new Premium. Super good deal.