A90 Supra Brake Pads / Rotors / Fluid

[FLtrackdays]

Going back to what’s been mentioned a couple times above with the DTC60/30 set up, why did you chose the 30 over the HP+? The HP+ may not have the heat range of the 30, but it does have a MUCH more consistent mu over its range.

I tried those long long ago and finally started driving fast enough to cook em. Give them a try They might be just fine if you are just starting the sport. I don’t know the physics behind the numbers. However I did meet a really cool race team owner back in the day. Became good friends, got to know all the drivers, etc. No thought was involved. They just told me what to do. I gladly took their advice. They had me start with Hawk Blues. Which they don’t even make anymore. But it was a good start, above HP+. Eventually, they moved me up to their DTC compounds.

So it wasn’t just buy the best pads. They worked me up progressively with my driving skill. I remember never thinking I’d need a DTC compound, but here I am. Other brands do the same thing and have some great pads, no doubt. I’m using Hawk because of the bang for the buck for our car and my long history with them. They’ve served me well.

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[neverknowsbest]

I haven’t touched the HP+ in over 10 years. I use to use them as front pads when drifting.
Hawk black front with dtc60 rear has been my combo for the last three years of track driving.
But as you also mentioned, burning up the HP+ is my concern. The only numbers I was able to find specifically for our chassis, on rotor temps, is from Verus’s brake cooling trial video, but this was only front temps. Front calipers temps were around 350f and rotor temps were around 750f, which is def flirting with the HP+ upper limit. But, since roughly 70%ish of braking is done with the front maybe the rears are more reasonable.
Would be nice if we just had DTC60 rears to match the fronts to call it a day hahaha

 

[tomfree]

You can still buy Hawk blues...I have a set for my LeMons Mustang as a failsafe if I can't find anything else. That being said, run Hawk Blues when there is no other viable option. They are atrocious when cold, the dust will rust on your wheels in about 5 minutes, and they don't last all that long. It's really an OLD pad. My first set of real track pads were blues, and that was nearly 20 years ago. They were an old pad 20 years ago.

 

[razorlab]

You can still buy Hawk blues...I have a set for my LeMons Mustang as a failsafe if I can't find anything else. That being said, run Hawk Blues when there is no other viable option. They are atrocious when cold, the dust will rust on your wheels in about 5 minutes, and they don't last all that long. It's really an OLD pad. My first set of real track pads were blues, and that was nearly 20 years ago. They were an old pad 20 years ago.

hahha same. The experience made me stay away from Hawk pads ever since.

 

[FLtrackdays]

hahha same. The experience made me stay away from Hawk pads ever since.

I’m shocked they still make em. That’s about when I got into the sport. 20 years ago they were the training pad of SCAA I thought they were so badass back then, LOL. I had my HP+ pads and they were such an upgrade. Of course moved up to DTC compounds and now full circle back - back on em. I’m glad we have so many options for this Supra!

 

[razorlab]

I’m up 13 mph in the straight at Palmer compared to last year on stock power and still have zero issues with the Project Mu Club Racer brake pads. Great price, great track performance. YMMV depending on your local track.

 

[Rob901]

I’m up 13 mph in the straight at Palmer compared to last year on stock power and still have zero issues with the Project Mu Club Racer brake pads. Great price, great track performance. YMMV depending on your local track.

What software are you using? Is that the catalyst?

 

[razorlab]

What software are you using? Is that the catalyst?

Yea that is the iphone catalyst app

 

[Yalemaier]

Hi everyone,

Love the information but I'm honestly confused at what would be most appropriate for street & HPDE 2 use. I frequent NJMP lightning & thunderbolt and have been running the stock brake setup for 5 track days so far without issue. I was recommended to upgrade my stock brake pads, fluid, and lines. What would be an appropriate setup for my use? I am currently running 275/295 35 19 tire setup with Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but will likely upgrade to a more track-focussed tire in the future. Thanks for all the advice!

 

[FLtrackdays]

Hi everyone,

Love the information but I'm honestly confused at what would be most appropriate for street & HPDE 2 use. I frequent NJMP lightning & thunderbolt and have been running the stock brake setup for 5 track days so far without issue. I was recommended to upgrade my stock brake pads, fluid, and lines. What would be an appropriate setup for my use? I am currently running 275/295 35 19 tire setup with Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but will likely upgrade to a more track-focussed tire in the future. Thanks for all the advice!

It’s really about religious maintenance, visual inspection and feel on track. If you’re a race team, you’ll change the brake pads and bleed your fluid after each race. But since we’re doing this for fun = not going as fast or tracking for hours on end, we can get by with extended use.

As you get faster and upgrade your tires, you’ll benefit from upgraded brake pads. Project Mu, Endless or Hawk would be the next obvious step up. Any DOT4 fluid will suffice if you bleed em often and change it after each track season. If you want to upgrade your brake lines, Turner motor sports has a bunch to choose from, preventing expansion.

I dual drive (track and street) on Hawk DTC 60/30 brake pads. They are fantastic. Lots of dust. But you’ll have no problems stopping on track or in town. As for brake fluid, Castrol SRF has the highest wet temp, so it’s my personal fave. But there’s no exact right or wrong. Lots of great options for our Supras.

Glad you’re enjoying the sport & welcome to the club!

 

[razorlab]

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[romanLegion9574]

Hi everyone,

Love the information but I'm honestly confused at what would be most appropriate for street & HPDE 2 use. I frequent NJMP lightning & thunderbolt and have been running the stock brake setup for 5 track days so far without issue. I was recommended to upgrade my stock brake pads, fluid, and lines. What would be an appropriate setup for my use? I am currently running 275/295 35 19 tire setup with Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but will likely upgrade to a more track-focussed tire in the future. Thanks for all the advice!

Maybe start with the DOT4 fluid (Castrol SRF, Motul RBF600 -- I think, pls correct me if I'm wrong, and Endless RF660 are the ones commonly mentioned), since the brake feel will change. Once you're comfortable with less sponginess, Hawk, Endless, CSG, or Project Mu pads would be a good next step.

Do be prepared for some squeakiness on the street when cold and a lot more brake dust, if you aren't already aware.

 

[3TMagnetMan]

I feel like information about brake pads on this platform is really lacking so I decided to start this list and chart.

I'm starting with track-worthy pads first as that is where I feel there is less information shared. I will continue to update this as I find more pads. If you know of pads not on this list, please let me know

It's been a challenge to track down Mu (coefficient of friction) charts for some of these pads, so for those, I do have their average Mu numbers and I extrapolated from there. The G-loc pads look promising but I only found single Mu numbers for them so far. If anyone knows more, please let me know!

The list is in most aggressive to least. The chart is by when I added them. Hope this helps people!

Name	Front part#	Rear part #	Approx. Price Front	Approx. Price Rear	Average Mu	Temp Range
Carbotech XP24	CT78772-F-XP24	CT78772-RP-XP24	$387.00	$279.00
G-Loc R18	GPX122-R18	GPX123-R18	$339.00	$311.00	0.7	400F - 2000F
Hawk DTC-70				$304.00	0.55 - 0.68	400F - 1600F
G-Loc R12	GPX122-R12	GPX123-R12	$307.00	$289.00	0.65	250F - 2000F
Carbotech XP20	CT78772-F-XP20	CT78772-RP-XP20	$365.00	$263.00		275F - 2000F
Carbotech RP2	CT78772-F-RP2	CT78772-RP-RP2	$354.00	$255.00		250F - 1650F
Carbotech XP12	CT78772-F-XP12	CT78772-RP-XP12	$344.00	$248.00	0.65	275F - 2000F
Carbotech XP10	CT78772-F-XP10	CT78772-RP-XP10	$331.00	$238.00	0.6	250F - 1650F
Hawk DTC-60	HB916G.740		$234.00	$276.00	0.54 - 0.59	400F - 1600F
PMU Racing999	PMU-P9Z723	MU-P9Z625	$325.00	$325.00	0.42 - 0.59	392F - 1472F
Carbotech XP8	CT78772-F-XP8	CT78772-RP-XP8	$318.00	$229.00	0.56	200F - 1350F
EBC RPX	DP82302RPX	DP82415RPX			0.50-0.56	200F - 1400F
PMU Club Racer	PMU-PCR09Z723	PMU-PCR09Z625	$187.00	$187.00	0.42 - 0.55	572F - 1472F
Porterfield R4	AP1867-R4	AP2220-R4	$249.00	$129.00	0.38 - 0.54	450F - 1300F
Paragon R7	PBP.1603.188.R7	PBP.1604.160.R7	$348.00	$308.00	0.48 - 0.53	212F - 1562F
Winmax W7	WIN-1603-W7	WIN-1604-W7	$320.00	$250.00	0.48 - 0.53	212F - 1562F
EBC Bluestuff NDX	DP52302NDX	DP52415NDX			0.52	Ambient - 1000F
Circo M119	MB3226-M119				0.48 - 0.51	122F - 1472F
Winmax W6.5	WIN-1603-W6.5	WIN-1604-W6.5	$320.00	$250.00	0.47 - 0.50	122F - 1472F
Tarox Corsa	SP5550.124		$377.00		0.47 - 0.49	392F - 1202F
Ferodo DS1.11					0.42 - 0.49	302F - 1472F
Winmax W6	WIN-1603-W6	WIN-1604-W6	$300.00	$230.00	0.45 - 0.48	92F - 1472F
CSG C21	CSG.A90F.20.C21		$590.00		0.42 - 0.48	716F - 1742F
EBC RP1	DP82302RP1	DP82415RP1			0.38-0.45	200F - 1400F
Winmax W5	WIN-1603-W5	WIN-1604-W5	$270.00	$200.00	0.40 - 0.43	212F - 1382F
Endless MX72 Plus	EP535-MX72Plus	EP536-MX72Plus	$305.00	$305.00	0.39 - 0.47	120F - 1382F
Endless MX72	EP535-MX72	EP536-MX72	$305.00	$305.00	0.37 - 0.47	120F - 1292F
Carbotech 1521	CT78772-F-1521	CT78772-RP-1521	$294.00	$212.00	0.47	800F
Porterfield R4-S	AP1867-R4-S	AP2220-R4-S	$189.00	$129.00	0.33 - 0.46	100F - 1300F
Pagid RSL-29	8275_RSL29	8276_RSL29			0.40 - 0.44	212F - 1292F
Paragon R5	PBP.1603.188.R5	PBP.1604.160.R5	$308.00	$267.00	0.40 - 0.43	212F - 1382F
CSG C11		CSG.A90R.17.C11		$400.00	0.39 - 0.43	302F - 1256F
Ferodo DS2500	FCP5055H		$385.00		0.34 - 0.43	302F - 1202F
Tarox Strada	SP5550.122	SP5550.112	$470.00	$441.00	0.37 - 0.42	392F - 1112F
Circo S88	MB3226-S88				0.38 - 0.40	122F - 1202F
Endless SSM Plus	EP535-SSMPLUS	EP536-SSMPLUS	$305.00	$305.00	0.33 - 0.40	32F - 1022F
Winmax W4	WIN-1603-W4	WIN-1604-W4	$250.00	$180.00	0.37 - 0.40	122F - 1202F
Winmax W3	WIN-1603-W3	WIN-1604-W3	$225.00	$175.00	0.34 - 0.37	Ambient - 1112F
PFC Race 11	1867.11.19.44
PFC Race 332		2220.332.16.44				1292F
PFC Z-Rated	1867.10	2220.10				1022F

Brake Fluid

Name	Approx Price	Size (L)	Dot	Dry Boiling Point *F	Wet Boiling Point *F
Torque RT700			4	683	439
AP Racing R4			4	644	383
Motul RBF 700			4	637	401
Redline RL700			4	635	401
Project Mu G-Four			4	635	430
Pagid RBF			4	626	399
Wilwood EXP 600+			4	626
Endless RF-650			4	622	424
Stoptech STR-660			4	622	404
Stoptech STR-600			4	622	404
VP Racing 622			4	622	399
Ferodo Super Formula			4	622	392
Motul RBF 660			4	617	399
PFC RH665			4	617	383
AP Racing R3			4	608	299
AP Racing R3			4	608	299
Hawk HP660			4	608
Brembo LCF 600			4	601	399
Redline RL600			4	600	400
Motul RBF 600			4	594	401
Castrol SRF			4	590	518
AP Racing R2			4	590	410
ATE Type 200			4	536	395
ATE Super Blue			4	536	392
AP Racing 551			4	527	302
Pentosin Super Dot 4			4	509	338

Pad shapes

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Rear (Premium)

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Brake Rotors

Name	Front Left #	Front Right #	Size	Rear Left #	Rear Right #	Size	1 or 2 piece?
BMW OEM	34116860911	34116860912	348mm	34216860925	34216860926	345mm	2
Brembo	09D09413	09D09513	348mm	09D09613	09D09613	345mm	2
API	1407-583318	1407-583319	348mm				1
Beck / Arnley	833772	833771	348mm	833751	833751	345mm	1
EBC	RK2065R (set)		348mm	RK2066R (set)		345mm	2
Dynamic Friction	600-31134D	600-31133D	348mm	600-31130	600-31130	345mm	1
Dynamic Friction Geospec	604-31134D	604-31133D	348mm	604-31130	604-31130	345mm	1
Dynamic Friction Geomet				90031130A	90031130A	345mm	2
Centric High Carbon	125.34178	125.34177	348mm	125.34165	125.34165	345mm	1
Centric C-Tek	121.34178	121.34177	348mm	121.34165	121.34165	345mm	1
Zimmermann Formula F	150.2936.32	150.2937.32	348mm	150.2946.32	150.2946.32	345mm	2
Zimmermann Coat Z	150.2936.20	150.2937.20	348mm	150.2946.20	150.2946.20	345mm	1
Fremax	BD3577	BD3578	348mm				1
ATE				424262	424262	345mm	1
Paragon	P2R.088.348.360. 17400.08.03.01.F (set)		348mm	P2R.088.345.240. 19500.08.03.01.R (set)		345mm	2
Girodisc	A1-307 (set)		348mm	A2-307 (set)		345mm	2

So many choices what's the best way to upgrade lol Pads and Fluids??

 

[FLtrackdays]

So many choices what's the best way to upgrade lol Pads and Fluids??

Price and availability is a good start. If you change your brake fluid more often it’ll take longer to get to the wet temp side of the chart. I like Castrol SRF since the wet temp is so high. But it really doesn’t matter as much as bleeding or changing the fluid does.

I like Hawk DTC pads. But Endless, Project Mu, & CSG sound like solid choices from what most have said. I’d get the most aggressive track pad you can afford. Don’t buy a hybrid track and street pad. Waste of money imo. You’ll brake just fine in town on a dedicated track pad and have the repeated stopping power you need on track.

 

[type-964]

Hi friends,

How much brake fluid should I buy to make sure there’s enough to properly bleed the system?

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