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I’m up 13 mph in the straight at Palmer compared to last year on stock power and still have zero issues with the Project Mu Club Racer brake pads. Great price, great track performance. YMMV depending on your local track.

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Hi everyone,

Love the information but I'm honestly confused at what would be most appropriate for street & HPDE 2 use. I frequent NJMP lightning & thunderbolt and have been running the stock brake setup for 5 track days so far without issue. I was recommended to upgrade my stock brake pads, fluid, and lines. What would be an appropriate setup for my use? I am currently running 275/295 35 19 tire setup with Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but will likely upgrade to a more track-focussed tire in the future. Thanks for all the advice!
 

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Hi everyone,

Love the information but I'm honestly confused at what would be most appropriate for street & HPDE 2 use. I frequent NJMP lightning & thunderbolt and have been running the stock brake setup for 5 track days so far without issue. I was recommended to upgrade my stock brake pads, fluid, and lines. What would be an appropriate setup for my use? I am currently running 275/295 35 19 tire setup with Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but will likely upgrade to a more track-focussed tire in the future. Thanks for all the advice!
It’s really about religious maintenance, visual inspection and feel on track. If you’re a race team, you’ll change the brake pads and bleed your fluid after each race. But since we’re doing this for fun = not going as fast or tracking for hours on end, we can get by with extended use.

As you get faster and upgrade your tires, you’ll benefit from upgraded brake pads. Project Mu, Endless or Hawk would be the next obvious step up. Any DOT4 fluid will suffice if you bleed em often and change it after each track season. If you want to upgrade your brake lines, Turner motor sports has a bunch to choose from, preventing expansion.

I dual drive (track and street) on Hawk DTC 60/30 brake pads. They are fantastic. Lots of dust. But you’ll have no problems stopping on track or in town. As for brake fluid, Castrol SRF has the highest wet temp, so it’s my personal fave. But there’s no exact right or wrong. Lots of great options for our Supras.

Glad you’re enjoying the sport & welcome to the club!
 
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Hi everyone,

Love the information but I'm honestly confused at what would be most appropriate for street & HPDE 2 use. I frequent NJMP lightning & thunderbolt and have been running the stock brake setup for 5 track days so far without issue. I was recommended to upgrade my stock brake pads, fluid, and lines. What would be an appropriate setup for my use? I am currently running 275/295 35 19 tire setup with Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but will likely upgrade to a more track-focussed tire in the future. Thanks for all the advice!
Maybe start with the DOT4 fluid (Castrol SRF, Motul RBF600 -- I think, pls correct me if I'm wrong, and Endless RF660 are the ones commonly mentioned), since the brake feel will change. Once you're comfortable with less sponginess, Hawk, Endless, CSG, or Project Mu pads would be a good next step.

Do be prepared for some squeakiness on the street when cold and a lot more brake dust, if you aren't already aware.
 

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I feel like information about brake pads on this platform is really lacking so I decided to start this list and chart.

I'm starting with track-worthy pads first as that is where I feel there is less information shared. I will continue to update this as I find more pads. If you know of pads not on this list, please let me know

It's been a challenge to track down Mu (coefficient of friction) charts for some of these pads, so for those, I do have their average Mu numbers and I extrapolated from there. The G-loc pads look promising but I only found single Mu numbers for them so far. If anyone knows more, please let me know!

The list is in most aggressive to least. The chart is by when I added them. Hope this helps people!

NameFront part#Rear part #Approx. Price FrontApprox. Price RearAverage MuTemp Range
Carbotech XP24CT78772-F-XP24CT78772-RP-XP24$387.00$279.00
G-Loc R18GPX122-R18GPX123-R18$339.00$311.000.7400F - 2000F
Hawk DTC-70$304.000.55 - 0.68400F - 1600F
G-Loc R12GPX122-R12GPX123-R12$307.00$289.000.65250F - 2000F
Carbotech XP20CT78772-F-XP20CT78772-RP-XP20$365.00$263.00275F - 2000F
Carbotech RP2CT78772-F-RP2CT78772-RP-RP2$354.00$255.00250F - 1650F
Carbotech XP12CT78772-F-XP12CT78772-RP-XP12$344.00$248.000.65275F - 2000F
Carbotech XP10CT78772-F-XP10CT78772-RP-XP10$331.00$238.000.6250F - 1650F
Hawk DTC-60HB916G.740$234.00$276.000.54 - 0.59400F - 1600F
PMU Racing999PMU-P9Z723MU-P9Z625$325.00$325.000.42 - 0.59392F - 1472F
Carbotech XP8CT78772-F-XP8CT78772-RP-XP8$318.00$229.000.56200F - 1350F
EBC RPXDP82302RPXDP82415RPX0.50-0.56200F - 1400F
PMU Club RacerPMU-PCR09Z723PMU-PCR09Z625$187.00$187.000.42 - 0.55572F - 1472F
Porterfield R4AP1867-R4AP2220-R4$249.00$129.000.38 - 0.54450F - 1300F
Paragon R7PBP.1603.188.R7PBP.1604.160.R7$348.00$308.000.48 - 0.53212F - 1562F
Winmax W7WIN-1603-W7WIN-1604-W7$320.00$250.000.48 - 0.53212F - 1562F
EBC Bluestuff NDXDP52302NDXDP52415NDX0.52Ambient - 1000F
Circo M119MB3226-M1190.48 - 0.51122F - 1472F
Winmax W6.5WIN-1603-W6.5WIN-1604-W6.5$320.00$250.000.47 - 0.50122F - 1472F
Tarox CorsaSP5550.124$377.000.47 - 0.49392F - 1202F
Ferodo DS1.110.42 - 0.49302F - 1472F
Winmax W6WIN-1603-W6WIN-1604-W6$300.00$230.000.45 - 0.4892F - 1472F
CSG C21CSG.A90F.20.C21$590.000.42 - 0.48716F - 1742F
EBC RP1DP82302RP1DP82415RP10.38-0.45200F - 1400F
Winmax W5WIN-1603-W5WIN-1604-W5$270.00$200.000.40 - 0.43212F - 1382F
Endless MX72 PlusEP535-MX72PlusEP536-MX72Plus$305.00$305.000.39 - 0.47120F - 1382F
Endless MX72EP535-MX72EP536-MX72$305.00$305.000.37 - 0.47120F - 1292F
Carbotech 1521CT78772-F-1521CT78772-RP-1521$294.00$212.000.47800F
Porterfield R4-SAP1867-R4-SAP2220-R4-S$189.00$129.000.33 - 0.46100F - 1300F
Pagid RSL-298275_RSL298276_RSL290.40 - 0.44212F - 1292F
Paragon R5PBP.1603.188.R5PBP.1604.160.R5$308.00$267.000.40 - 0.43212F - 1382F
CSG C11CSG.A90R.17.C11$400.000.39 - 0.43302F - 1256F
Ferodo DS2500FCP5055H$385.000.34 - 0.43302F - 1202F
Tarox StradaSP5550.122SP5550.112$470.00$441.000.37 - 0.42392F - 1112F
Circo S88MB3226-S880.38 - 0.40122F - 1202F
Endless SSM PlusEP535-SSMPLUSEP536-SSMPLUS$305.00$305.000.33 - 0.4032F - 1022F
Winmax W4WIN-1603-W4WIN-1604-W4$250.00$180.000.37 - 0.40122F - 1202F
Winmax W3WIN-1603-W3WIN-1604-W3$225.00$175.000.34 - 0.37Ambient - 1112F
PFC Race 111867.11.19.44
PFC Race 3322220.332.16.441292F
PFC Z-Rated1867.102220.101022F

Brake Fluid

NameApprox PriceSize (L)DotDry Boiling Point *FWet Boiling Point *F
Torque RT7004683439
AP Racing R44644383
Motul RBF 7004637401
Redline RL7004635401
Project Mu G-Four4635430
Pagid RBF4626399
Wilwood EXP 600+4626
Endless RF-6504622424
Stoptech STR-6604622404
Stoptech STR-6004622404
VP Racing 6224622399
Ferodo Super Formula4622392
Motul RBF 6604617399
PFC RH6654617383
AP Racing R34608299
AP Racing R34608299
Hawk HP6604608
Brembo LCF 6004601399
Redline RL6004600400
Motul RBF 6004594401
Castrol SRF4590518
AP Racing R24590410
ATE Type 2004536395
ATE Super Blue4536392
AP Racing 5514527302
Pentosin Super Dot 44509338


Pad shapes

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Rear (Premium)

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Brake Rotors



NameFront Left #Front Right #SizeRear Left #Rear Right #Size1 or 2 piece?
BMW OEM3411686091134116860912348mm3421686092534216860926345mm2
Brembo09D0941309D09513348mm09D0961309D09613345mm2
API1407-5833181407-583319348mm1
Beck / Arnley833772833771348mm833751833751345mm1
EBCRK2065R (set)348mmRK2066R (set)345mm2
Dynamic Friction600-31134D600-31133D348mm600-31130600-31130345mm1
Dynamic Friction Geospec604-31134D604-31133D348mm604-31130604-31130345mm1
Dynamic Friction Geomet90031130A90031130A345mm2
Centric High Carbon125.34178125.34177348mm125.34165125.34165345mm1
Centric C-Tek121.34178121.34177348mm121.34165121.34165345mm1
Zimmermann Formula F150.2936.32150.2937.32348mm150.2946.32150.2946.32345mm2
Zimmermann Coat Z150.2936.20150.2937.20348mm150.2946.20150.2946.20345mm1
FremaxBD3577BD3578348mm1
ATE424262424262345mm1
ParagonP2R.088.348.360.
17400.08.03.01.F (set)
348mmP2R.088.345.240.
19500.08.03.01.R (set)
345mm2
GirodiscA1-307 (set)348mmA2-307 (set)345mm2
So many choices what's the best way to upgrade lol Pads and Fluids??
 

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So many choices what's the best way to upgrade lol Pads and Fluids??
Price and availability is a good start. If you change your brake fluid more often it’ll take longer to get to the wet temp side of the chart. I like Castrol SRF since the wet temp is so high. But it really doesn’t matter as much as bleeding or changing the fluid does.

I like Hawk DTC pads. But Endless, Project Mu, & CSG sound like solid choices from what most have said. I’d get the most aggressive track pad you can afford. Don’t buy a hybrid track and street pad. Waste of money imo. You’ll brake just fine in town on a dedicated track pad and have the repeated stopping power you need on track.
 

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How much brake fluid should I buy to make sure there’s enough to properly bleed the system?
 
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Cleaned up the first post.

***Updated with direct link to my google sheet that I will continue to update. Use the tabs at the bottom to navigate between:

- Brake Pads
- Brake Rotors
- Brake Fluid

***Updated with some new rotor choices
 
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If you use CSG brake pads and care about your paint long term, make sure you use a good iron remover when washing your car after a track day.

This is after one track day with CSG C21 pads in the front. The whole side of the car has iron embedded in the paint. My PMU Club Racers also did this, any good track pad will, but at a MUCH smaller scale.

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If you use CSG brake pads and care about your paint long term, make sure you use a good iron remover when washing your car after a track day.

This is after one track day with CSG C21 pads in the front. The whole side of the car has iron embedded in the paint. My PMU Club Racers also did this, any good track pad will, but at a MUCH smaller scale.

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Holy shit ???… That’s a bit excessive. If that’s from the CSGs, I’m digging my Hawks even more ?
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