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Chris Harris is one of the few prepared to tell it how it is.His argument is well based, well constructed, organised and rational. HE IS RIGHT.
He, and all the actually qualified and credible enthusiasts, know what they are talking about when they say the MkV simply isn't good enough. ITS NOT.

He's also part of an organisation that's big enough not to have not sell out their credibility to Toyota's Manipulative marketing on this car.
Like I've said before, to be a review it has to be balanced, and all these glowing reviews from supposedly reputable media sources, which are nothing but praise for the MkV aren't reviews - they are Toyota Sponsored adverts, in 95% of cases, literally.

insulting harris with paragraphs of personal insults, is like a 10 year old being told they can't have candy for breakfast by mum, then having a tantrum.

Too many people have fallen deeply totally in love with the MkV, when they haven't even driven one or seen one. The MkV fandom group is making the Old MKIV fanboys look like gentleman, and not one of them has got a damn car yet.

The emotions of these MKV fanboys are so bad that they are blinding them from seeing the reality and all its flaws, and as a result they defend its indefensible problems, using personal attacks and lies, again just like the 10 year who cant have candy for breakfast and says to his mum 'Yeah - BUT YOUR UGLY!!!, AND DAD SAID I COULD!!'

Put it this way if Chris Harris had said it was good, they all these MkV fanboys would all be praising him instead of slamming him.

Blaming all the negativity on trolls and internet trends is more 10 year tantrum stuff. Sure that will always been there in small amounts, but the fact is if the MkV was a good product it wouldn't have 99% of the hate its getting. Its the product, not the people that's the problem.

Its not a good product.

No one owes Toyota or the MkV a damn thing, and no one has the right to demand we be grateful for it. People have every right to hold Toyota accountable for lazy engineering and brand profiteering, though speaking out about it.

Just because people some have fallen in love with it, doesn't mean everyone else cant point out its abundant problems. Freedom of speech is supposedly a corner stone of the union isn't it?
Nope. He isn't. He is one of the few who constantly sucks fat Aston-Martin, Porsche, Ferrari and BMW dick and rides them all the god damn time. YOU'RE the one who's being ignorant.

Is it not good enough because it was codeveloped with a BMW? Idk what else we could tell you here. The partnership was necessary. And fans like me want a new Supra back. It's still a very competent car in all the right ways and used all of BMW's good qualities. What's wrong with that?

I've shat on Harris since forever, and on the other hand, I strongly believe Jason Cammisa is one of the best automotive journalists out there. Jason is wrong on this point, but that doesn't make him the worst journalist out there because his facts and viewpoints are incorrect. You're just making that assumption that anyone who insults the Supra is immediately wrong and should be hated upon. That isn't true. I'm speaking for myself, and I am the most unbiased human being out there.

Someone actually made a post here whether they should buy the Supra or the LC, and despite how much I ADORE the new Supra, I immediately said go for the LC. So listen you douche, I'm capable of making an unbiased judgement and don't release a slew of dumb comments (like you) and spam the forums with unintelligent bullshit.

Who said the MkV doesn't have flaws? Did any of us say that? Who said that? Riiggghhht you're just jumping to conclusions here.

"The MkV fandom group is making the Old MKIV fanboys look like gentleman, and not one of them has got a damn car yet." Bias much?

Chris Harris kept saying it was bad because of the BMW partnership. Go watch his review if he was able to find other flaws with it. Go ahead. I'll wait. All you read about are his lies and trying to be edgy by going against the rest of the automotive reviewers. Even JDM fanboys that you see sometimes criticizing the new Supra for being codeveloped with the Z4 are still happy that the Supra is back. You have the basic formula of a good Toyota sports car, with engineers on both ends putting their heart and soul into this project trying to make some fun sports cars. Because this world needs fun. My only issue is that it needs a manual.

"No one owes Toyota or the MkV a damn thing, and no one has the right to demand we be grateful for it. People have every right to hold Toyota accountable for lazy engineering and brand profiteering, though speaking out about it." You're right. Nobody owes Toyota anything, but listen carefully you bub, don't you motherfucking whine if we don't get any more sports cars from Toyota after you throwing your stupid tantrums. This was their best attempt given the circumstances. So I'm grateful. And once I'm in the position to buy one, I will damn well buy one. Because I want a six-cylinder sports car from Toyota. For fucks sakes, we didn't have a six-cylinder Toyota sports car for over 20 years.

Like I said before. The MkV has flaws, but it's objectively the best Supra they made, even when considering the BMW partnership.





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acknowledge & praise all reviews which claim the mkv "feels japanese"
hypocritically question all reviews on how it "feels bmw"


meanwhile toyota is trying to create a image of heritage and technological prowess. there is a disconnect. they would have been better off just saying they're giving us a bmw much cheaper than what bmw would charge us for the same specs.
 

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I strongly believe Jason Cammisa is one of the best automotive journalists out there. Jason is wrong on this point, but that doesn't make him the worst journalist out there because his facts and viewpoints are incorrect.
First you shit on Senna now you say Cammisa is the best journalist. Please explain because I'll be honest, his rant about the MKV was hilarious. :rofl:

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First you shit on Senna now you say Cammisa is the best journalist. Please explain because I'll be honest, his rant about the MKV was hilarious. :rofl:

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When have I shat on Senna? I said he was weak compared to Schumacher in terms of fitness and outright strength. That's not shitting on them. Shut the fuck up.

I generally agree with everything else Jason says because he's the most unbiased reviewer I watch. But this Supra debacle he's only looking at it from the BMW end. People also pointed this out.

You also don't realize that Subaru badged Toyota parts because it was being built on a Subaru plant. Since the Supra is on the BMW supply chain, even the parts that were Toyota will be badged as BMW. Also the door sill too. Personally, I don't care. Newer BMW's (especially the 6 and 12 cylinders) are pretty reliable. And I adore BMW infotainment systems as well. So I don't see where you're going with this.

And for christ's sake, I swear to god if anyone says I'm "not a real fan of Supras" because I like the MkV, then go fuck yourself.
 

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It is nothing to do with that, but thanks for playing.

The 'big deal' is that I want to hear about the car *beyond* the BMW parts and development. The reviewers turn their platform of objective reviews (objective to an extent because opinion's are subjective by nature but you get the point) into a drama/reality show where we have to pick sides if BMW part sharing is okay or not which dilutes the review down to this single attribute. We are all informed consumers that don't need to hear their opinion on BMW part sharing to decide for ourselves when considering the car as a whole.

As you said in your last sentence... decide for yourself. So why are you reading so much into others opinions and review structure? Skip the first half of the video then. We watch enough of these "reviews" to know how it's structured by now.

So when you have a chance to drive one, feel free to post your "review". All I ask is tell us what are YOU comparing it to?
 

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Nope. He isn't. He is one of the few who constantly sucks fat Aston-Martin, Porsche, Ferrari and BMW dick and rides them all the god damn time. YOU'RE the one who's being ignorant.

Is it not good enough because it was codeveloped with a BMW? Idk what else we could tell you here. The partnership was necessary. And fans like me want a new Supra back. It's still a very competent car in all the right ways and used all of BMW's good qualities. What's wrong with that?

I've shat on Harris since forever, and on the other hand, I strongly believe Jason Cammisa is one of the best automotive journalists out there. Jason is wrong on this point, but that doesn't make him the worst journalist out there because his facts and viewpoints are incorrect. You're just making that assumption that anyone who insults the Supra is immediately wrong and should be hated upon. That isn't true. I'm speaking for myself, and I am the most unbiased human being out there.

Someone actually made a post here whether they should buy the Supra or the LC, and despite how much I ADORE the new Supra, I immediately said go for the LC. So listen you douche, I'm capable of making an unbiased judgement and don't release a slew of dumb comments (like you) and spam the forums with unintelligent bullshit.

Who said the MkV doesn't have flaws? Did any of us say that? Who said that? Riiggghhht you're just jumping to conclusions here.

"The MkV fandom group is making the Old MKIV fanboys look like gentleman, and not one of them has got a damn car yet." Bias much?

Chris Harris kept saying it was bad because of the BMW partnership. Go watch his review if he was able to find other flaws with it. Go ahead. I'll wait. All you read about are his lies and trying to be edgy by going against the rest of the automotive reviewers. Even JDM fanboys that you see sometimes criticizing the new Supra for being codeveloped with the Z4 are still happy that the Supra is back. You have the basic formula of a good Toyota sports car, with engineers on both ends putting their heart and soul into this project trying to make some fun sports cars. Because this world needs fun. My only issue is that it needs a manual.

"No one owes Toyota or the MkV a damn thing, and no one has the right to demand we be grateful for it. People have every right to hold Toyota accountable for lazy engineering and brand profiteering, though speaking out about it." You're right. Nobody owes Toyota anything, but listen carefully you bub, don't you motherfucking whine if we don't get any more sports cars from Toyota after you throwing your stupid tantrums. This was their best attempt given the circumstances. So I'm grateful. And once I'm in the position to buy one, I will damn well buy one. Because I want a six-cylinder sports car from Toyota. For fucks sakes, we didn't have a six-cylinder Toyota sports car for over 20 years.

Like I said before. The MkV has flaws, but it's objectively the best Supra they made, even when considering the BMW partnership.
Not trying to pick fights here, but Harris was on bad terms with Ferrari after bad mouthing one of their cars. They wouldn't lend him test cars after that. To say that he fanboys over those brands wouldn't be honest considering he did speak out against them and dealt with the repercussions.
 

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Not trying to pick fights here, but Harris was on bad terms with Ferrari after bad mouthing one of their cars. They wouldn't lend him test cars after that. To say that he fanboys over those brands wouldn't be honest considering he did speak out against them and dealt with the repercussions.
No man, all good. I appreciate a good and spirited argument (and if it gets fiery I'm fine with that too). Hmm... I'll be honest I genuinely didn't know that. Do you mind if you link what car he gave a poor review of? I have had a love/like/hate/dislike relationship with Ferrari (despised their politics and unreliability sometimes but I loved everything else) and I'm a Ferrari fan.
 

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No man, all good. I appreciate a good and spirited argument (and if it gets fiery I'm fine with that too). Hmm... I'll be honest I genuinely didn't know that. Do you mind if you link what car he gave a poor review of? I have had a love/like/hate/dislike relationship with Ferrari (despised their politics and unreliability sometimes but I loved everything else) and I'm a Ferrari fan.
This happened awhile ago, but here is what I dug up from the internet:

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/top-gears-chris-harris-banned-driving-ferraris/
 

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So why are you reading so much into others opinions and review structure?
If youre seriously asking this then you didn't read what I said. It isn't just simply skipping their opinions on the car, it is about wanting a full review and not a half baked one after they break down their stance on their manufactured controversy.

So when you have a chance to drive one, feel free to post your "review". All I ask is tell us what are YOU comparing it to?
Okay I will gladly "review" it when I get a chance to "review" one, then I will let you "review" my "review" and give my "review" a Doug score.
 

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Not trying to pick fights here, but Harris was on bad terms with Ferrari after bad mouthing one of their cars. They wouldn't lend him test cars after that. To say that he fanboys over those brands wouldn't be honest considering he did speak out against them and dealt with the repercussions.
...Lambo banned him as well...Chris Harris can be over the top but he is one of the best judges of sports cars out there...I certainly acknowledge his opinion over 99% of the other so called car journos..
 

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If youre seriously asking this then you didn't read what I said. It isn't just simply skipping their opinions on the car, it is about wanting a full review and not a half baked one after they break down their stance on their manufactured controversy.

Okay I will gladly "review" it when I get a chance to "review" one, then I will let you "review" my "review" and give my "review" a Doug score.

I read what you wrote. You don't want to hear people talk about how much of a BMW the Supra is. That's why I said skip the first half of the review because that's all they talk about. I thought you would see the common structure of these reviews by now. Guess I was wrong.

Believe me, i want to see how this car performs as well because it could be my next track toy. Fact to the matter is, no matter how good or bad someone says a car is, it's just an idea. I don't know about you but i don't have access to drive any car i want at any time I want. Its difficult to compare anything if you have only driven one car. Also, everyone's driving skill is different. I have seen reviews where they say the Supra has body roll. Now is it really body roll or gforce? What people think is body roll on a track maybe just gforce they have never experienced before because they never tracked a car before.

If you ever come across a review to your liking, you may feel differently about the car after you drive it for yourself.
 

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When have I shat on Senna? I said he was weak compared to Schumacher in terms of fitness and outright strength. That's not shitting on them. Shut the fuck up.

I generally agree with everything else Jason says because he's the most unbiased reviewer I watch. But this Supra debacle he's only looking at it from the BMW end. People also pointed this out.

You also don't realize that Subaru badged Toyota parts because it was being built on a Subaru plant. Since the Supra is on the BMW supply chain, even the parts that were Toyota will be badged as BMW. Also the door sill too. Personally, I don't care. Newer BMW's (especially the 6 and 12 cylinders) are pretty reliable. And I adore BMW infotainment systems as well. So I don't see where you're going with this.

And for christ's sake, I swear to god if anyone says I'm "not a real fan of Supras" because I like the MkV, then go fuck yourself.
It's so easy to be a keyboard warrior from behind the monitor...
 

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It's so easy to be a keyboard warrior from behind the monitor...
Is this a challenge?

Confused boner.
Ya both can wank each other off with your snide comments. If you're seriously having the audacity to call me a keyboard warrior (which I'm not) then go to Supraforums and screw off over there. I don't understand the point of you guys trolling these forums and we're just minding our own business.
 

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Ya both can wank each other off with your snide comments. If you're seriously having the audacity to call me a keyboard warrior (which I'm not) then go to Supraforums and screw off over there. I don't understand the point of you guys trolling these forums and we're just minding our own business.
So you want a safe space to have 1 point of view...on the internet... didnt think that one through chap.
 

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