Do NOT buy a Supra right now

Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by ynguldyn, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. Dick

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    You usually don’t have the full details of the deal and why they were able to get the price they did. Maybe they got hosed on the trade-in or financed with questionable credit through the dealer. You might pay below invoice, yet still provide the dealer with big profit.

    Then sometimes with stair step dealer cash incentives your sale might be worth thousands to the dealer as well (i.e. dealer has a certain sales objective on Silverados. if they sell 10 it’s $100 per, but if they sell more than 10 it’s $500/unit applied to the previous 10 as well. That dealer is going to give that last Silverado away to hit his sales objective) Best advice I can give is to try to buy at month end close and be ready to walk way from at any point in the sales process. Impulsiveness will cost you money.
     
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    But what class are you speaking of in your comment above? Are you focusing on mainstream sedans or two seater driver-centric sports cars? Which one? I am confused.

    I do agree with you that people don't typically if ever cross-shop sports cars and minivans/SUVs. No one really does that.

    It is a fact that the Model 3 interior is not driver-centric in the way the interior of the Supra and especially Corvette C8 are. You said I was speculating on the future. Can you clarify this please? All I touched on was that the Model 3, regardless of its electric powertrain difference from the C8 and Supra, is not a sportscar but primarily a driverless sedan (and intended by Tesla to basically be part of a "taxi" like fleet in coming months or years) that has bare minimum driver controls. And I said that it would make more sense to compare sportscars to sportscars regardless of whether they are powered by gasoline or electricity.

    I haven't focused on resale values of any of these cars or their valuation at all and I don't really care about that other than how much the dealers/sales channels tend to be charging for any of them (which in the case of the Supra is generally what this thread is about). I've only focused on how it makes little sense to compare driver focused two seater sportscars to what is intended to be a decidedly not driver focused driverless sedan. That's all.
     
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    Yeah you can order a C8 however you want. Unlike Toyota where you have to just take what the distributor gives you. No pricing yet, but likely $58,995 or $59k plus probably $1k-$1,400 destination.

    A year+ from now you should be able to order a car and get a discount too.

    I would definitely expect discounts on Supra a year from now. Same with just about any car.

    As to the mkiv Supra value comments, I seem to remember turbos in the high teens, but it was usually early cars with lots of miles, and/or automatics. Almost every supra for sale had a ton of miles, seemed like, hard to say they "lost" value- they just got used up. The later, lower mile cars with a stick always had value. Still, I think for mid 20s you could get a nice car, but that was out of my price range at the time. If you bought a new car in 1997, 1998, it would have been hard to lose money unless you traded it in literally in 1999, 2000, and even then you wouldn't have lost much.

    I feel like the mkiv was always like $10,000+ more than I could afford, their price grew as my budget grew, still desperately out of reach, until the time came when I suddenly could afford it, but at which point I lost interest. Funny how that works out.

    I'd expect the new car to depreciate more like a BMW than a Supra. It'll be steep every year until it levels off in about year 9 or 10, sort of like a E46 or early E92 M3.
     
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    I am sorry, might be silly but it's my own opinion, this is how i see it
    C8 to me remains a Corvette
    A GM car
    The design too much like 458 or McLaren which I like but feels slightly a copy car to me
    Less brand Value mimicking super cars with Corvette badge
    Yes the supra is A BMW built car but at least it looks like a supra with its wide hips and big ass
    Still jealous about Corvette interior though

    The Supra is an iconic car (Supra name is much better than Corvette imo) , I had the mk4 and my passion just force me to book the new one, the sport community value for the supra is much bigger.
    Corvette is pensioners best car
    So Maybe when I retire Lol
     
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    I think the only way people cross shop the MK5 and the C8 is if the markup of the Supra goes way over the base Corvette. Other than that I don’t see any other reason as they aren’t really close in price range.
     
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    Considering Toyota plans to mass produce this thing and sell a ton of them every month... I can almost guarantee we will see depreciating values similar to BMW's with this Supra... mainly because, at heart, it's a BMW. There is a reason why Toyota priced the car so competitively and used the Supra name, but I don't think they saw Chevy releasing the C8 at a similar price point.

    Also, whoever says these cars aren't direct competition is nuts! :crazy:Every car and I mean EVERY car (ie. regular Mustangs, Cobras, regular Vettes, Z06's, Audi's, 300zx, rx7, 3000gt's, Porsche, Silvia's, Skylines, grand nationals, MOTORCYCLES, etc) that "regular" people could afford competed against the MKIV. It was the MKIV owners that started stepping on the big dawg's toes (ie. Lambos, R8's, Ferraris, Viper TT's, McLaren's, etc) when they started upgrading their cars :drive:
     
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    But will it be priced the same? Or will Toyota increase the MSRP?
     
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    I hope in the future Toyota will release a striped down version (95 SE Supra). I was watching some of the review videos and this thing is pretty nicely equipped, but for example, some of us in the Southern part of the US have no need for heated seats.
     
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    Copying a 458 or McLaren is a bad thing? Toyota took designs from other cars too; 2000GT->Jaguar E Type, R28 Celica->"Japanese Mustang", MKIV Supra->Ferrari F40

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    There is a 2020 Supra in blue for sale in Florida for $48K. You people complaining about markups go buy it lol
     
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    Really? Mind sharing what Dealership it's selling at? Been looking for a blue...
     
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    Generally speaking, I was talking about the 'sports car' class (very loosely) and it wasn't in respect to your specific comments, just general.

    Point: Sports car to you sounds exactly like sports car to me. But Joe down the street may look at it entirely different.

    When shopping for sports cars, many people are looking for different things. Looking for the "fastest" (again, not specific to you) is relative. Do you want fastest straight line? Fastest rally like an Impreza? Fastest top speed? All relative. Best bang for your buck is where we get into the Car and Driver articles, etc etc. Years back when the Camaro and Challenger had surged, I spent 5 minutes inside the Camaro and couldn't get out fast enough lol. However some folks like that sardine can feeling.

    Your opinion on what a Model 3 is (not a sports car) is true in my eyes but trust and believe the performance mode videos of Tesla's against Lamborghinis catches more than a few eyes. I was referring to your comment on driverless taxis. While Tesla is projecting this, it remains to be seen. Driverless may or may not be attained in the next 5 years either due to hardware limitations, legal restrictions, or a combination of both. Anyone buying a Tesla on the hope of the 'Tesla Uber Program' or Full-Self Driving we were pitched in 2016 (when I bought mine) is already 3 years with no finish line in sight.

    Additionally, once we break the $50k barrier, what people are looking for blurs together even more. Is an S7 a sports car? If so, what differentiates it from the Model 3/S (mechanically, not the body contours)?

    What I expect from the 2020 Supra in 2020 can be night and day different from what it becomes in 2025. We certainly are in the same boat; personally I used to be so far against American Muscle, but the C8 has peaked my interest (that's about it though). That link I provided showed the options/interiors/color combos available on the C7 which is damn near endless so why folks thought the C8 wouldn't have options is beyond me.

    Either way, I hope we all are happy with our choices and I'd love to see the inside of that C8 or any other competitors when they do arrive!
     
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    The Supra being produced even at half the rate of what the C8 will produce is news to me but certainly possible. I hope they are a tad more limited than that though.
     
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    Sure!

     
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    I just dropped the LE today from my local dealership in the Bay Area. I was set to get one soon at 10k over msrp which was locked in earlier this year. The reason for me doing this was the C8.
     
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