Mode design catted downpipe

[Bisho]

Anyone have this downpipe installed? Thoughts? Sound good? https://modeautoconcepts.com/produc...faBSzAa1IWnsYQ33JOK58gnuU2D05ygCNQnN9VXPSerZm

Was going to grab the AA but it's a tad pricey. This has the no cel guarantee also for half the price.

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[Thraxbert]

It's cheaper because it uses an inferior catalytic converter with lower cell density. The MODE unit is a 200 cell cat, and 200 cell cats have a reputation for burning out prematurely due to insufficient material over the long haul.

My opinion is that 200 cell cats are basically junk, and a no-CEL guarantee is more like a "no CEL... For a while" guarantee.

 

[BMWAF]

It's cheaper because it uses an inferior catalytic converter with lower cell density.

Isn't that literally the whole point of replacing the stock DP?

The MODE unit is a 200 cell cat, and 200 cell cats have a reputation for burning out prematurely due to insufficient material over the long haul.

I have not seen a skerrick of evidence to back this up - on any platform.

My opinion is that 200 cell cats are basically junk, and a no-CEL guarantee is more like a "no CEL... For a while" guarantee.

The Mode DP comes with a lifetime warranty so "a while" might be a little longer than you think.

 

[Thraxbert]

1) I was referring to the AA comparison. If you're going to spend a premium to obtain a catted downpipe, then my view is that you should take that decision seriously and choose an option that will give you less hassle.

2) Complaints for 100 and 200 cpsi cats are abundant on forums for every make and model.

3) I can also read warranty information. The hassle of filing warranty claims and swapping downpipes seems scarcely worth it to me. I feel terrible for these AA downpipe owners who are getting CELs and now have to waste their time on paperwork and maintenance when their product was "guaranteed" not to have a CEL. A 200 cpsi non-GESi cat will almost certainly encounter more issues. When a lifetime warranty protects my money, but not my time, hard pass.

 

[Hasan]

Anyone have this downpipe installed? Thoughts? Sound good? https://modeautoconcepts.com/produc...faBSzAa1IWnsYQ33JOK58gnuU2D05ygCNQnN9VXPSerZm

Was going to grab the AA but it's a tad pricey. This has the no cel guarantee also for half the price.

I think its a very good option and should flow a lot better than the 400cpi options.

"Sound good" is subjective. I have a CTS turbo DP with 200cpi cat with stock exhaust and it sounds pretty good to me. Under normal driving it is slightly louder than OEM and even at WOT it is not very loud.

 

[BMWAF]

If you're going to spend a premium to obtain a catted downpipe, then my view is that you should take that decision seriously and choose an option that will give you less hassle.

Generally I agree that you get what you pay for but there is always exceptions to the rule. So many after market parts are just knock-offs with a brand label attached. What differentiates them is their guarantee/warranty and price. At literally half the price with the same guarantees, I think the MODE is worth the roll of a dice.

2) Complaints for 100 and 200 cpsi cats are abundant on forums for every make and model.

I am literally no wiser having read this comment. Abundant would suggest there should be a fair few on supramkv.com. In my few years here I have seen nothing but praise for 200 cell downpipes. Happy to be proven wrong.

The hassle of filing warranty claims and swapping downpipes seems scarcely worth it to me. I feel terrible for these AA downpipe owners who are getting CELs and now have to waste their time on paperwork and maintenance when their product was "guaranteed" not to have a CEL. A 200 cpsi non-GESi cat will almost certainly encounter more issues. When a lifetime warranty protects my money, but not my time, hard pass.

Dude, you're literally just making claims without any substantiation. Why will these "almost certainly encounter more issues?" What evidence do you have to support this statement?

I do completely agree with the hassle of avoiding warranty claims though. But since we don't know what the failure rates are between AA and MODE, your point is moot. Going out on a limb and assuming they both have similar failure rates (based on their warranty claims), the hassle of returning the far more expensive product only increases my need for both time and money.

Really not sure I follow your logic.

 

[FuzzyRev]

Paul...calm down and grab an ice-cold Tooheys.

The one thing I'll say is I've noticed how hard it's been to get solid reviews on these products 1-3 years in. Sure everyone raves about them, because of course it works perfect in the first six months..but down the line is very murky. Kinda like tire reviews..don't get me started on those..

 

[Meraki Autoworks]

We have the AA catted on a pretty big discount right now, too low to post if you want to inquire. Probably the #1 catted downpipe for the Supra so no worries there for couple hundred more.

-Josh

 

[BMWAF]

Paul...calm down and grab an ice-cold Tooheys.

The one thing I'll say is I've noticed how hard it's been to get solid reviews on these products 1-3 years in. Sure everyone raves about them, because of course it works perfect in the first six months..but down the line is very murky. Kinda like tire reviews..don't get me started on those..

No one drinks that here, lol.. like Fosters.

All I am saying is that there is simply no evidence that the AA DP is better than any other. And at double the price, I'd expect there to be. And moreover, I'm seriously unable to find one example of any 200 cell DP being problematic (I'm not talking about CEL lights on non-guaranteed DPs but outright failures) - and I've run multiple searches on this forum.

And yes, I know absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence but I'm not the one making claims!

As for tyres, while I do take it with a grain of salt, I have found this site helpful.

 

[Brenden]

We have the AA catted on a pretty big discount right now, too low to post if you want to inquire. Probably the #1 catted downpipe for the Supra so no worries there for couple hundred more.

-Josh

Hey Josh, the bigger issue for us is that price is in $AUD and local shipping won't be that much. To get the AA in Australia last I looked was closer to $2k AUD

 

[BMWAF]

Hey Josh, the bigger issue for us is that price is in $AUD and local shipping won't be that much. To get the AA in Australia last I looked was closer to $2k AUD

This. I had the MODE downpipe purchased, shipped and installed professionally for just over $1200AUD. That's only about $750USD!

 

[Brenden]

What's your thoughts on it? Any CEL? Tempted to get it at this price even though my car doesnt arrive until Feb and I still need to spend more money on my MkIV

 

[BMWAF]

What's your thoughts on it?

Too early to make a reasonable comment but I’ll circle back after I’ve put some ks on it. Initial thoughts are that it makes the car feel punchier and a good deal louder (with increased rasp).

 

[Brenden]

I bought it anyway. Don't even have the car. Was tempted by their femto service but it's a chunk of money. Might do that one myself. Probably should drive the car stock for a bit though

 

[BMWAF]

Here's my experience with the MODE DP. A mixed bag with a lot of negatives but the price makes it enticing, depending on your use case.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/cheap-af-mode-catted-dp-should-you-buy-one.26538/

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