News, Updates, and Discussions on next-gen A100 Supra

[PerformanceSound]

Who are these cars for? Only a few of us can afford these useless sports cars in the upper middle class with situation getting worse, rich folks will continue to be rich and buy exotics. Japan continues to be poor for most normal folks (same as USA, rich folks are rich and buys exotics).

It's not retarded like the new Prelude, thankfully.

Think of the process of making these kinds of cars something like Robin Hood...."steal from rich to give to the poor." Not calling anyone poor, but you get the idea...

The manufacturers sell these vehicles (i.e., LFA, LFR, etc...) to get "investors" aka rich people who buy them and fund the overall scope of a manufacturers goals. These projects help greatly in the future development of more attainable sports cars and possibly other genre of vehicles. So, while the "LFR" may not be within an everyday persons reach in terms of cost, some or majority of its technology may trickle down into a "MKVI Supra" that is more within the budget of an everyday buyer/shopper. This has been the name of game for sometime now, and it's a very genius approach because without this....manufacturer's websites would be loaded with Hybrid Compact Cars and Mall Crawler SUV's. Enthusiast demand doesn't do jack squat for a manufacturer to pull the trigger on a new sports car platform that would cost millions to R&D....at the end of the day, money talks and bs walks!

Just my two cents...

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[puzzled]

Think of the process of making these kinds of cars something like Robin Hood...."steal ..

You folks were crying when dealers were marking up A90's during the post-pandemic by $10-15K. Well, guess what 25% tariff does to your $60K car + higher cost of living.

If you're not game for a $80K sports car you're basically out. $80K is a tricky number because the rich won't buy it as it's too cheap, and most middle-class can't afford it. Well they might be able to for a few months, then repo. lol

 

[MisterSkiz]

You folks were crying when dealers were marking up A90's during the post-pandemic by $10-15K. Well, guess what 25% tariff does to your $60K car + higher cost of living.

If you're not game for a $80K sports car you're basically out. $80K is a tricky number because the rich won't buy it as it's too cheap, and most middle-class can't afford it. Well they might be able to for a few months, then repo. lol

Maybe I read his comment incorrectly, but I don't think he was mentioning tariffs. He was mentioning how the expensive cars are used to subsidize the commuter cars and their technology.

If you can't afford the tariff you could always buy an American made automobile? Which - to be honest not sure how much of ANYTHING is made in the USA any more.

 

[puzzled]

Maybe I read his comment incorrectly, but I don't think he was mentioning tariffs. He was mentioning how the expensive cars are used to subsidize the commuter cars and their technology.

If you can't afford the tariff you could always buy an American made automobile? Which - to be honest not sure how much of ANYTHING is made in the USA any more.

Yeah, I think I read that as well which I don't disagree, but I was talking about the shrinking demographics for these mid-grade sports cars. It will shrink even further with the tariffs and inflation that is coming soon making it unrealistic to even manufacture because who's going to buy them? Like 20 of us here?

I am a bit skeptical about the program and expecting delays.. possibly getting dropped for the US market?

 

[PerformanceSound]

You folks were crying when dealers were marking up A90's during the post-pandemic by $10-15K. Well, guess what 25% tariff does to your $60K car + higher cost of living.

If you're not game for a $80K sports car you're basically out. $80K is a tricky number because the rich won't buy it as it's too cheap, and most middle-class can't afford it. Well they might be able to for a few months, then repo. lol

I’m not complaining about anything…not sure why you tagged my comment.

My point was that for these cars (Supra, Z, etc…) to exist for “us”, much more expensive engineering efforts need to take place (GTR, LFA, etc…). I am not complaining about the multi-tiered financial class of people in America, it’s a capitalist country….always has been and always will be. Those who can’t accept that….hey, I don’t know what to tell you.

Btw, not to get into politics here….but tariffs are not coming to weaken our country, they are coming to strengthen it.

 

[razorlab]

tariffs are not coming to weaken our country, they are coming to strengthen it.

 

[Funkjaw]

You wrong, the GTi was exhaust modded n wanted to race.

At the end of the day, the GR86 is fast in the first 3 gears because of light weight, instant NA response and short gearings. It feels the rawest out of all the GR cars. The 2.4 is more gutsy than any Honda NA Type R engines apart from the NSX.

You obviously have never owned one and just badmouthing it out of thin air. It’s significantly fsster than the old GT86. The car is very enjoyable to drive slow and fast right out of the box. For me, the Supra is only enjoyable to drive when going fast and that’s with coilovers, exhaust, much wider wheels and RE71RS. If I have to own one stock, I wouldn’t go with the Supra at all.. It’s a soft car out of the box. If I can mod obviously I would go for the Supra.

The new GR Yaris is also very enjoyable to drive and feels very much like the old Lancer Evolutions from another era.

Agreed.

The new GR86 is the GOAT of being a fun sports car for the money; honestly in many ways it is better than a MKV Supra stock for stock.

(I have a K swapped BRZ that is a track/drift/rally-x/canyon car and I love the hell out of it )

Anyways I hope for the A100 that Toyota puts some of the GR86 spirit into the design. While I love my MKV, I feel it needs too much work out of the box.

 

[FLtrackdays]

Agreed.

The new GR86 is the GOAT of being a fun sports car for the money; honestly in many ways it is better than a MKV Supra stock for stock.

(I have a K swapped BRZ that is a track/drift/rally-x/canyon car and I love the hell out of it )

Anyways I hope for the A100 that Toyota puts some of the GR86 spirit into the design. While I love my MKV, I feel it needs too much work out of the box.

Not me. I’d take the stock Supra at a free GR track day, after driving various stock ones from guys/gals I’ve met at those NASA GR days. The GR86 is fantastic! But out of all of them, this one is my fav (biased as hell ofc). Just need pads, tires, fluid, like any car that’s tracked. Same with the GR86. Then camber plates, sway bars, and the list goes on like any…. What I like about the Supra, for this kinda hp, if you don’t mess with the engine, it can do it all day long even in my schweaty neck of the woods. Like a MX5, Porsche, and others.

How does that differ than the GR86? Yes, less premium electronics that I don’t need/want for a track car. Possibly cheaper consumables, but not by much, I’d guess. When you start pricing Porsche & Vette consumables, it’s a steep curve upward after the Supra.

 

[Captain_Kirk]

https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/1152319

In a separate article, we reported that Toyota and Mazda may be co-developing a sports car, and that this may be the next-generation GR Supra, which is expected to appear in 2027.

Here, we summarize the information about the next-generation GR Supra. It is a hybrid equipped with a next-generation 4-cylinder 2L turbo engine that Toyota is developing, and is a 2-seater FR sports car that uses a carbon propeller shaft. The transmission will be an 8-speed automatic or 10-speed automatic, and the car is likely to debut in 2027.

As you know, the current GR Supra is a car jointly developed with BMW, but the next model was expected to be developed solely by Toyota. However, the information that has just come in suggests that it may be jointly developed by Toyota and Mazda.

Even for Toyota, it is still difficult to develop and sell a sports car on its own. If there is a partner who shares the same aspirations and can work with them, they would probably want to jointly develop the car in order to spread the costs.

So what will Toyota and Mazda share?

This is surprisingly clear, and Toyota is apparently attracted to Mazda's inline 6-cylinder engine. Although there is a new FR platform developed for large product groups, Toyota's evaluation is that it is "too heavy and not suitable for sports cars," and it seems that they are more interested in the inline 6-cylinder engine.

"Supra = straight-six engine" was something of an unwritten rule for Toyota, but times are changing, and the next model is likely to be equipped with a next-generation four-cylinder turbo engine. However, the possibility of installing a Mazda straight-six engine has suddenly emerged.

If that were to happen, Mazda would naturally be able to manufacture and sell it, but the question is how Mazda's management will decide on this.

Mazda is currently developing its next-generation rotary sports car, the Iconic SP, with the aim of launching it on the market in 2027.

Whether or not they will release this straight-six, rear-engine, rear-wheel-drive sports car at the same time is something that should be thoroughly debated. They can share success or failure with Toyota, but it is difficult to predict what the market environment will be like in 2027.

However, it is true that there are high expectations. If it comes to fruition, even if the chassis and engine are the same, Toyota and Mazda will likely adopt their own unique designs, and just like the current GR Supra and BMW Z4, the concepts and settings will be different, allowing each company to show off their individuality.

It is not impossible for Toyota to offer a two-seater coupe and Mazda a four-door coupe, which would be a great benefit to users as it would give them more choice.

I know it's not that easy, but it's not unlikely. In Japan, Mazda only has diesel-powered inline-six engines, but in the US, they also have a 3.3L gasoline turbo with 340ps/50.9kgm.

Mazda's FR sports trio of the Roadster, rotary, and inline-six turbo is no longer a dream. I'd like to keep an eye on future developments.

Mazda FR Sports Expected Specifications
・Length x Width x Height: 4400 x 1880 x 1300 mm
・Wheelbase: 2500 mm
・Vehicle weight: 1550 kg
・Power unit: Inline 6, 3.3L gasoline turbo
・Engine maximum output / maximum torque: 360ps / 51.0kgm
・Drive system: FR
・Expected release date: 2027
・Expected price: 6 million to 8 million yen

 

[PerformanceSound]

https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/1152319

Toyota is also ramping up carbon fiber production (as I’ve mentioned in the past). We now at least know it’s true, because the GR Corolla looks like is getting close to 50% carbon panels.

I believe there a few other “future” models getting carbon parts.

 

[Bryster]

The driving dynamics of a Mazda/ Toyota sports car would be insane

 

[FLtrackdays]

The driving dynamics of a Mazda/ Toyota sports car would be insane

A Supra version of the MX5 would be insane & I’d be all In

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