Toyota Supra Size Dimensions Comparison Thread

[SupraFiend]

No obviously the 2 and 4 don't use the exact same chassis, but the 86 and Supra could have. Same platform though, same engines, trannies, diffs, suspension etc etc.

Those size comparisons that keep getting posted.. it's worth noting that the line drawn to the back of the mk5 is to that piece of lower bumper extension. The actual bumper ends a bit further in and is a better representation of where the car ends IMO.

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[justbake]

Those size comparisons that keep getting posted.. it's worth noting that the line drawn to the back of the mk5 is to that piece of lower bumper extension. The actual bumper ends a bit further in and is a better representation of where the car ends IMO.

Those images are just visual representations.
It still doesn't take away from the fact that the A90 is 5.8 inches longer and 3 inches wider than its little brother while the A80 was only 3 inches longer and 2 inches wider than the 6th gen Celica (less than an inch longer than the coupe and verts)
You say the A90 and 86 are practically the same car in size but imagine seeing the A80 and Celica on the same lot at the same time

 

[Supra21]

^^ Nothing to add to that

 

[Bryster]

It's 3 inches wider and 6 inches longer. "Shorter wheelbase than the 86" does not mean it is shorter overall.

The 2 series and 3 series do not share the same platform, same motor does not mean same platform. That would be saying the Supra shares the same platform as the X5. 1 and 2 series share platforms, and 3 and 4 share platforms.



Being 'nimbler' is a byproduct of many many differences

The 86 is 1" shorter than the MK4 ffs!

 

[SupraFiend]

Those images are just visual representations.
It still doesn't take away from the fact that the A90 is 5.8 inches longer and 3 inches wider than its little brother while the A80 was only 3 inches longer and 2 inches wider than the 6th gen Celica (less than an inch longer than the coupe and verts)
You say the A90 and 86 are practically the same car in size but imagine seeing the A80 and Celica on the same lot at the same time

Yup. But like I said, knock off a couple inches for the bumper extension, which doesn't really make the car seem bigger in photos, and the mk5 is about the same amount bigger then the GT86 as the mk4 was bigger then the 6th Gen Celica... which was actually a pretty big car. And Toyota obviously felt it got too big as they shrank it way down for the last gen. I'm not saying they are exactly the same size, I'm saying they are close enough in size, and similar enough in suspension and drivetrain design that they could have shared a platform. As Bryster pointed out, the 86 is actually a pretty long car, they appear huge next to the original AE86. They also have the same rear diff as an IS300, with a multi link IRS and mac struts up front. Essentially no different then what underpins the mk5. The number of seats and placement in the 86 is much closer to that of the A80 then that of the A90 in comparison.

 

[justbake]

Yup. But like I said, knock off a couple inches for the bumper extension, which doesn't really make the car seem bigger in photos, and the mk5 is about the same amount bigger then the GT86 as the mk4 was bigger then the 6th Gen Celica... which was actually a pretty big car. And Toyota obviously felt it got too big as they shrank it way down for the last gen. I'm not saying they are exactly the same size, I'm saying they are close enough in size, and similar enough in suspension and drivetrain design that they could have shared a platform. As Bryster pointed out, the 86 is actually a pretty long car, they appear huge next to the original AE86. They also have the same rear diff as an IS300, with a multi link IRS and mac struts up front. Essentially no different then what underpins the mk5. The number of seats and placement in the 86 is much closer to that of the A80 then that of the A90 in comparison.

So it disproves your point about how they are practically the same size since the lineup is similar to the 90s lineup? Okay got it.

Why would we want it to share the chassis? The a90 has a lower CoG and is more rigid than the LFA

 

[RyanGT3RS]

No its called mathematics, but I guess you missed that in your high school for the privileged.

55,00 is a bigger number than 29,000. Try to grasp that concept, your accountant might be able to help you.

Also try to recognise people have to work for a living and don't have your extensive money to buy , let alone boast about owning a GT3 RS, M and AMG's like you do.

Once you do, You can work out that a 29,000 car is lot more accessible to working class people as opposed to you and your "just buy a Ferrari" income and attitude.

The MkV is just in the edge of affordability for the ordinary buyer. Most people buying one WONT be able to put another 15k into just the engine like you could. They get the car, and that's it, no more money left.

So If all people can afford is 55k, then a 29K 370z car is a LOT more attractive than an 55k MKV, because it give s a HUGE amount of savings leaving a LOT more scope for a LOT more development and improvement not possble otherwise.
If 55k is their limit, then 55k Modified 370Z will destroy a 55k factory MkV in every way.

The only thing your right about is starting with a better platform to begin with than either. I wouldn't choose either.

I can see economics and common sense isn’t your strong suit.

I can tell my whole analogy went right pass your head, but again, I wouldn’t expect you to comprehend or understand.

Funny thing is you have no idea what you’re talking about. “Ok, let’s just make 500 hp out of a 370z.” Yeah, it’s really that simple. Haha

To top it off, the shit spewing from you is comical, yeah, the average buyer is really going to buy a brand new 370z at 29k and afterwards have 25k cash to dump into, voiding warranty, drivability, reliability, etc... yeah, sounds very realistic, get real here!

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[RyanGT3RS]

That's the point we are trying to make! People will just buy what their pocket allows and that's that! It's a sad truth and all relative to the buyer at hand...50k is a lot of money for some, just right for others, and cheap for another group!
Yes, simple math...29k is a lot less...but still relative! This may be expensive for some as well!
While I understand your point, the Supra has always been a moderately expensive car! Yes, looking back, it was in the 30-45k range; however, THAT WAS IN THE 90's!!! Can you fathom how much money that was back then since we are talking about math!...in defense of @RyanGT3RS ...did you skip economics and the lesson on factors such as inflation?! Bring that today, and what was 30-45k is somewhere in the ballpark of 70-79k! So before you spit on "mathematics", dial it back and consider other factors!
Anyone can dump their money into a 29k 370z and be happy with it; however, added modifications equate to additional wear and tear the motor was not intended to handle...bills add up with unforeseen repairs and, not to mention, internal modifications to handle the power! Compression ratios of an N/A motor vs a turbo motor are different as well! Consider the car and you'll quickly see how much you'll spend!
It needs to sink in...the 370z does not compete with the cars the A90 has been released to compete against. Seldom to you see a 370z outdoing a Cayman GTS or M2 Competition on a track! In turn...the car is priced with its competitors and is a bargain in comparison. The Nismo Z tries and doesn't come much closer to these cars and you've gotta pay close to $43k for one!
The mentality is similar to "hmmmm...I can get that 370z, but why buy that for 29k when I can get another JDM coupe like...let's say a Civic...for a fraction of that"...it's two separate tiers of cars and that's that!

This makes me curious...how much is the A90 in Australia?...because, the M2 seems to start at 99k and the Cayman GTS is listed around $176k...those are the A90's competition, and will be priced somewhere around those and would be rightfully so if your market is as I've just written! If it's expensive in Australia it is still proportionally priced with other cars to which it performs similar!

Lol. I like how he skipped the part about me stating buying a used 90’s c5 vette, camaros and mustang reference. Those are even cheaper than a brand new “29k” 370z. And you get a v8, better performance per dollar. The list goes on. Same like the civic, integras.

 

[Supra21]

Lol. I like how he skipped the part about me stating buying a used 90’s c5 vette, camaros and mustang reference. Those are even cheaper than a brand new “29k” 370z. And you get a v8, better performance per dollar. The list goes on. Same like the civic, integras.

I just stopped trying to explain this when someone tried calling me out on "talking down" on other cars that people on this forum may own while I was just explaining price differences in different cars. Didn't know it was such a touchy subject since we were in fact speaking about the cost of the A90 and whether it's justified. I was merely trying to show that "In the US", the A90 fits very nicely into the price segment and comparisons should equate to where the car sits in the market. I even did some research on the cost of certain competitors in other countries to see why people may find this car to cost too much for what it is because I'm unaware of actually how much the A90 costs in other countries. If there's a price discrepancy to warrant the car is priced poorly in other countries, I understand the plight...but I've yet to hear anything in regards to this.

 

[elpadrino]

Can you please do the RC350?

 

[Captain_Kirk]

Can you please do the RC350?

 

[johnny_10196]

How about one with the LFA?

 

[Captain_Kirk]

Yup. But like I said, knock off a couple inches for the bumper extension, which doesn't really make the car seem bigger in photos, and the mk5 is about the same amount bigger then the GT86 as the mk4 was bigger then the 6th Gen Celica...

The 6th gen Celica came in two flavors. The coupe version was basically the same lenght as the A80.

T200
Coupe & Convertible: 177.0 in
Liftback: 174.2 in

A80
177.8 in

How about one with the LFA?

 

[SupraFiend]

Why would we want it to share the chassis? The a90 has a lower CoG and is more rigid than the LFA

Not with the current gen, I said previously they could have developed the mk5 off a 2nd gen GT86 chassis and gotten all of those same benefits. A low CG and stiff chassis is exactly the 2 biggest things Toyota went on and on about when the GT came out back in 2011/2012. 6/7 years, it's due for a new gen anyways.

If only there were precedent for having a Supra and another shorter rwd 4cyl sports coupe based off the same mac strut front/irs chassis!

 

[elpadrino]

Thanks. That's quite a difference. Same for the height too

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