Toyota Supra will have DCT & expect production car in Fall of 2018

[PerformanceSound]

But with a speed 6 tranny from Germany.

Yup, and we saw how the Germans shrugged their shoulders and told Toyota and Supra owners to piss-off when it came time for warranty claims and replacement parts for the mighty V160.

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[PerformanceSound]

“I don’t remember askin’ you a god damn thing!”

 

[vb22]

Yup, and we saw how the Germans shrugged their shoulders and told Toyota and Supra owners to piss-off when it came time for warranty claims and replacement parts for the mighty V160.

I can't recall many 6speed owners having issues with their trannys. Either way, probably still way cheaper to fix than the $10k-$12k tranny replacement on the earlier R35s.

 

[johnny_10196]

Everyone here keeps mentioning how much money Toyota has and how they should do this or that.

They have a ton of money precisely because they don't cater to a vocal minority of enthusiasts who believe their point of view is the right/majority point of view on the subject.

This Supra probably cost them VERY little to make precisely because BMW supplied the bones, which is why it'll exist in the first place. I don't remember enthusiasts saving the MKIV even though it had all the bells and whistles y'all are demanding in the MKV.

One of the few times I agree with you.

Look, Toyota is in the business of making money. They're going to take the safes approach to make sure they get a return in their investment.

To everyone that is saying it needs to be like the old Supra or that it needs to be a $100k car, how did that work out for them in 90s?

Just be happy that they are not making another tampon on wheels.

 

[PerformanceSound]

Either way, probably still way cheaper to fix than the $10k-$12k tranny replacement on the earlier R35s.

....all of which were covered under Nissan warranty. Wait 20yrs from now and see if Nissan will turn R35 GTR owners away when (or IF) their GR6 transmissions take a dump. I can still buy a brand new 300ZX 5spd from Nissan....because Japanese.

 

[vb22]

....all of which were covered under Nissan warranty. Wait 20yrs from now and see if Nissan will turn R35 GTR owners away when (or IF) their GR6 transmissions take a dump. I can still buy a brand new 300ZX 5spd from Nissan....because Japanese.

If I recall correctly, Nissan was blaming the owners for not using the launch control correctly or something along those lines. And I'm pretty sure people had to fight for Nissan to repair or replace their trannys. Nissan wasn't just giving out new trannys left and right.

 

[supraboi]

Didn't the Supra and Skyline GT-R use the same 6sd trans?

 

[solidsamir]

But with a speed 6 tranny from Germany.

Pretty sure I read the 2jz was designed in Germany as well

Edit- “The 2JZGTE, is regarded as Toyota's most famous engine. Development of the 2JZ-GTE was outsourced to German engineering firm, Johann A. Krause Maschinenfabrik GmbH, for refinement to meet production car homogolation requirements set forth by the former All-Japan Grand Touring Car Championship.”



Edit2- apparently this is a myth

 

[MA617M]

A70 confirmed this was false in an earlier thread.

 

[PerformanceSound]

My point is not to turn this into Japanese versus German discussion....my point was to show the importance of how cultural differences can heavily affect engineering between products during development. In the case of the Getrag, Toyota didn’t go to Getrag and say, “here....take these enhancements and improve your 6spd this way then we can make a deal and put it in our Supra.” Toyota found that Getrag had a transmission rated at a certain power and load level, and then added it to the Supra. Same for the GTR. The point I was trying to make, is if Toyota tried to go back to Getrag and make recommendations or enhancements on the design of the transmission, that Getrag would tell Toyota to piss off....oh wait, they did tell Toyota to piss off when Toyota recommended the warranty claims be thoroughly reviewed and enhance the V160 for quieter operation. How did that turn out? It’s not about a product made by one manufacturer and then sold to hundred other manufacturers....it’s about two different mindsets trying to overcome cultural differences in many areas of automotive development, one of which has the upper hand. BMW is not using a Toyota as a base platform....Toyota is using a BMW as a base platform. All this “Toyota will have a say in the top-end portion of their engine, or cylinder head, etc...” is peanuts compared to what Toyota probably tried to change along the way and most likely got shut down by BMW! This is why the previous statement by their Chief Engineer is so important about the obstacles they had to overcome in order eventually work together on the two cars.......point is, did they actually overcome them?

 

[A70TTR]

If I recall correctly, Nissan was blaming the owners for not using the launch control correctly or something along those lines. And I'm pretty sure people had to fight for Nissan to repair or replace their trannys. Nissan wasn't just giving out new trannys left and right.

100% correct.. the guy that blew the first trans using launch control was denied a new trans by Nissan and had to shell out $20k or whatever the hell it was. He owns a pizza shop in the town I grew up in, so by coincidence we spoke at length about it. His username on Nagtroc was Septskyline.

I wanna say they got out of it by saying the launch control was actually for snow or something, despite all the press and marketing materials demonstrating launch control being used for 0-60.

 

[PerformanceSound]

100% correct.. the guy that blew the first trans using launch control was denied a new trans by Nissan and had to shell out $20k or whatever the hell it was. He owns a pizza shop in the town I grew up in, so by coincidence we spoke at length about it. His username on Nagtroc was Septskyline.

I wanna say they got out of it by saying the launch control was actually for snow or something, despite all the press and marketing materials demonstrating launch control being used for 0-60.

The class action lawsuit should have rectified all cases and reimbursed all GTR owners for repair costs. There is even a regsitry on Nagtroc about this. Those who didn’t pursue getting their transmissions repaired or follow-up on Nissan’s TSB’s probably sold their GTR’s before Nissan issued the communication. Why are we hung up on GTR transmissions? Did Nissan go to Borg Warner and say, “we feel that your transmission is designed poorly or has design flaws?” Nissan didn’t join forces with Audi to take a A8, put VVT on it, and rebrand it a Nissan GTR. Nissan built from the ground up in Japan a pure Japanese sportscar....Japanese engineers leading the project, regardless where the transmission, brakes, suspension, etc... was sourced. Same with the MKIV Supra....that’s why it was as so great! The MKIV Supra was 100% Japanese engineered. Toyota engineers had the decision to choose a German transmission, they weren’t forced to use one as is. With the MKV Supra, Toyota will get what BMW gives them from the Z4 parts bin....whether they like it or not. D4S and VVTi are minuscule things in the grand scheme of it all.

 

[SupraFiend]

My point is not to turn this into Japanese versus German discussion...

Anyway you cut it.... the Axis is going to win this one lol.

Hmmm, I wonder if there's any Italian made parts on this thing.

Also, Austria was annexed by Germany in the very beginning of ww2 and absorbed into the Nazi empire. Just saying... lol

 

[PerformanceSound]

Anyway you cut it.... the Axis is going to win this one lol.

Hmmm, I wonder if there's any Italian made parts on this thing.

Also, Austria was annexed by Germany in the very beginning of ww2 and absorbed into the Nazi empire. Just saying... lol

A few of the many reasons I wish this car wasn’t going to be called a Supra. At this point, im just along for the ride to see how much brute force BMW used on this project. With more and more rumors and renderings of the BMW-influenced interior popping up, I am drifting further and further away from Toyota in general.

 

[MA617M]

remember how much cladding the outside had? it was years until it shed it

the same goes for interior

mule interior, covered, probably unfinished


everyone keep your judgy pants on ffs

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