2020 Supra Transmission Chat - Manual, Dual Clutch, or Auto?

[SupraStew85]

some modern cars offer manuals on lesser trims to save on cost and add a 'fun factor'



... who knows?

People... Unless I'm missing something the last I heard North America was the only getting the 6cyl option from Toyota, and that the more baseline 4cyl models would be reserved the European market. If this is true I personally would be willing to sacrifice luxuries like leather seats that were heated and cooled and fancy top of the line infotainment systems in favour of a manual, if for whatever reason Toyota decided we could not have both. But I would not want to give up anything related to driving performance, I think I can speak for most enthusiasts here that as long as we can get a mk5 with a manual transmission and the top of the line performance bits from Toyota we would be more willing to sacrifice more "luxurious fluff".

But my god if I am incorrect and they do offer a lower power 4cyl in North America, and it was the only trim offered with a manual... I would probably die of agony.

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[Sammy82]

I keep away from these "manuals vs the world" discussion because they really are as pleasant as a lobotomy but, me being me, I just can't keep my mouth shut.
Also, as comrade Stalin used to say: "It is easier to kill than to convince" so I truly understand that there is no convincing what is better/best - as long as we accept each others view then all good, world keeps on spinning on its axis, around the sun - all is good.

Alright, so far in my driving career I have had 5 sports cars, all coupes, first 3 were manuals, notable mention being the R33 GT-R V-Spec.
Mega fun to drive, just pure enthusiasts bliss, heel-toe and all that gumpf.

4th car was an R35, and with the DCT it was mega fast, mega accomplished and boring as watching the paint dry. Maybe because I LEARNED how to drive in the 1990s, maybe, I find manuals just fun, engaging and genuine drivers cars. Maybe R35 would be great fun on the track but let's face it,majority of normal people can't afford to track/wreck a 100K plus cars anyway.
I understand that DCT/auto is quicker, but how does that matter for 99% (ar$e pluck I know) driving situations. Just a simple clutch, gear change motion in traffic brings a smile to my face, couldn't care less that I'm possibly 0.3 sec 0-100km/h slower or that I use more fuel.

In short - if this Supra is auto-only I will cry into my weet bix, and most likely would not even consider it. If the manual does exit, or will exist in 2019/2020 then we are cooking with gas.
Porsche at least understands that you have to please the 5%, or even less, of us enthusiasts, the old-school guys, regardless of majority of buyers opting for the PDK. Nothing wrong with giving people an option.

Disclaimer: Fully understanding that auto-are-the-best-and-fastest drivers will never understand, but I had no intention to convince them anyway - at least I know I'm correct

Well said mate.

 

[Blupra]

People... Unless I'm missing something the last I heard North America was the only getting the 6cyl option from Toyota, and that the more baseline 4cyl models would be reserved the European market. If this is true I personally would be willing to sacrifice luxuries like leather seats that were heated and cooled and fancy top of the line infotainment systems in favour of a manual, if for whatever reason Toyota decided we could not have both. But I would not want to give up anything related to driving performance, I think I can speak for most enthusiasts here that as long as we can get a mk5 with a manual transmission and the top of the line performance bits from Toyota we would be more willing to sacrifice more "luxurious fluff".

But my god if I am incorrect and they do offer a lower power 4cyl in North America, and it was the only trim offered with a manual... I would probably die of agony.

Through all I've read lately, I didn't see anything that indicated only the 6cyl would make its way to the US. However, when trying to interpret certain posts here and elsewhere, I think there is a possibility that the 6cyl is DCT/AUTO only and that only the 4cyl would offer a manual. I hope I am wrong about that.

 

[A70TTR]

the original plan was 6cyl high trim cars for the U.S.

we will have to wait and see what Toyota has in store for anything else... still too early for everything to be decided.

 

[vb22]

the original plan was 6cyl high trim cars for the U.S.

we will have to wait and see what Toyota has in store for anything else... still too early for everything to be decided.

I still hope that will be the case. Otherwise it will be collecting dust in the showroom.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/how-would-you-build-your-supra.749/

 

[jm6k]

I still hope that will be the case. Otherwise it will be collecting dust in the showroom.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/how-would-you-build-your-supra.749/

That poll isn't fair to the 4cyl option.

Of course we would prefer more power vs less power (I6 vs I4), but the transmission is key for a lot of us. Make a poll for a 4cyl with manual transmission vs I6 with auto. Pulling numbers out of the air, I would say half of the people who chose "6 cylinder Manual" would go to the 4cyl manual. The remainder would either go for the auto, or not get one at all. Those of us who really want a manual aren't likely to accept substitutes, even if it means less power. A better 86 is good enough if the price is right rather than sacrificing the clutch pedal.

 

[vb22]

That poll isn't fair to the 4cyl option.

Of course we would prefer more power vs less power (I6 vs I4), but the transmission is key for a lot of us. Make a poll for a 4cyl with manual transmission vs I6 with auto. Pulling numbers out of the air, I would say half of the people who chose "6 cylinder Manual" would go to the 4cyl manual. The remainder would either go for the auto, or not get one at all. Those of us who really want a manual aren't likely to accept substitutes, even if it means less power. A better 86 is good enough if the price is right rather than sacrificing the clutch pedal.

I think its fair. The 4 cylinder choices are mated to the same hypothetical transmission options as the 6 cylinders. And I'm sure most people also understood the 4 cylinder option will cost less. Personally I'll pay more for a straight six. Bimmerpost insider said all models are coming with an auto. So what some of us are echoing is how about just scraping the 4 cylinder altogether and save that R&D money and just give us more transmission options. Why don't you make a new thread with that poll and find out?

 

[zigzagz94]

Those of us who really want a manual aren't likely to accept substitutes, even if it means less power. A better 86 is good enough if the price is right rather than sacrificing the clutch pedal.

Count me in this group.

 

[jm6k]

I think its fair. The 4 cylinder choices are mated to the same hypothetical transmission options as the 6 cylinders. And I'm sure most people also understood the 4 cylinder option will cost less. Personally I'll pay more for a straight six. Bimmerpost insider said all models are coming with an auto. So what some of us are echoing is how about just scraping the 4 cylinder altogether and save that R&D money and just give us more transmission options. Why don't you make a new thread with that poll and find out?

No doubt, give me a 350hp I6 manual over a 250hp I4 manual. There's been zero indication that that will be an option though. Based on what we've heard, the comparison is I6 auto or I4 manual. I won't be making a poll on rumor-based hypothetical situations though; we'll just wait and see what the facts are.

 

[Necron99]

Long term lurker, but I created an account to get his across to anyone who may listen. The MKIV is my original dream car. I currently own a GT86. I have been eagerly following all MKV news, just waiting for the chance to put my money down on one. If there really is no manual option for the car, there is no chance I will buy it. Nor would any of my gear-head friends buy it. No manual is Toyota alienating the last of its core American diehard fans. So many disappointments over the years, but this is the last straw.

 

[Sunspot]

Long term lurker, but I created an account to get his across to anyone who may listen. The MKIV is my original dream car. I currently own a GT86. I have been eagerly following all MKV news, just waiting for the chance to put my money down on one. If there really is no manual option for the car, there is no chance I will buy it. Nor would any of my gear-head friends buy it. No manual is Toyota alienating the last of its core American diehard fans. So many disappointments over the years, but this is the last straw.

It's either going to be "the last straw"....or "the golden carrot"

 

[Jeff Lange]

Personally, I would take a lower powered car with a manual over a higher powered with an auto/DCT/other for a daily driver. If it was going to be a track car, I would sing a different tune, but for a street-driven car, manual adds an entirely different dimension of fun to driving that cannot be understated.

Jeff

 

[bogglo]

Lol that car would be looking so good next to a Porsche you will be tempted to pull the trigger. I can see the manual making it to Europe and maybe Japan. but in the US we are too spoilt with automatic that Toyota might not bother. At the same time it wont make sense to have manual in a lower spec car when you already have the 86. So I ll put money on the higher spec car having manual if it makes it stateside.

 

[Supra93]

https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/powertrain2018/6mt/

New 6-speed Manual Transmission (6MT)

Toyota has also developed a new manual transmission in response to global needs, particularly those in Europe. Compared to the existing version, the mass of the new system has been reduced by seven kilograms and total length by 24 millimeters. This makes it one of the world's smallest transmissions*, and its small size contributes to improved fuel efficiency. The 6MT also offers world-leading transmission efficiency*, while the use of iMT (Intelligent Manual Transmission) controls, which automatically adjust engine rotations when changing gears, ensures smooth gear shifting―free of uncomfortable recoils―for the driver.

*As of February 2018 (Toyota Motor Corporation)

Key technologies / performance

Specifications Allowed torque Weight Control type Synchronizer
280N･m 40kg Cable type Forward / backward full synchromesh gearbox
Short overall length

Lightweight

iMT (Intelligent Manual Transmission) control
Upshifting

Downshifting

 

[JP_Supra]

https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/powertrain2018/6mt/

You sir are a hero to us all.

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