Toyota: New Supra Was Mostly Developed In Japan; Won't Be Cheap
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Modal170
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Shhhh, you have to tell them what they want to hear, even though they've been briefed that HP isn't the end game for this Suipra, it's the spirited driving.
Then go off to purcahse a Mustang or Camaro as that was their market all along.
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It looks more like a 718/cayman Fighter than the 911.
BMW M2 $54,000 ------------------------------------- 3,450 lbs
BMW M3 $66,500 ------------------------------------- 3,540 lbs
BMW M4 $68,700 ------------------------------------- 3,530 – 4,055 lbs
Porsche Cayman $55,000 --------------------------- 2,888 – 2,965 lbs
Porsche Boxter $57,000 ------------------------------ 2,888 – 2,965 lbs
Porsche 718 GTS $79,000 --------------------------- 3,031 lbs
Ford Shelby Mustang $57,240 ---------------------- 3,760 lbs
Chevy Camaro 1SS $37,000-$42,000 ------------ 3,339 lbs
Chevy Camaro ZL1 $61,500 ------------------------ 3,883 – 4,113 lbs
Chevy Corvette Stingray $55,495 ------------------- 3,298 – 3,362 lbs
Chevy Corvette GS $65,494 -------------------------- 3,428 – 3,486 lbs
Dodge Challenger SRT $50,495 --------------------- 4,279 lbs
Dodge Challenger Hellcat $65,495 ------------------ 4,448 lbs
Nissan 370z Nismo $45,690 -------------------------- 3,493 – 3,533 lbs
Mercedes C63 AMG $66,100 ------------------------- 3,829 – 4,226 lbs
Audi RS5 $69,000 ---------------------------------------- 3,649 lbs
Toyota Supra MK4 --------------------------------------- 3,285 - 3,461 lbs
Toyota Supra MK5 -----------------------Anticipated : 3,306 lbs
Where did you get 2,900 lbs? New reporters were being told 1500kg which equates around 3,300 lbs. A stripped down GT MK5 race car maybe..Logically, this makes more sense because if they are sourcing the engine from BMW, it should have around the same weight category. Look above. 3,450 - 3,530 lbs for the M cars. If it is truly 2,900 lbs, that is serious balls from toyota. Straight 6 engines are notorious for being heavier. How else are they going to shed weight? Carbon Fiber? lmfao.
For the lack of weight, most manufacturers are making it up for HP.
FLMAO. k.
Buy a Frs/ft86/brz then.
Do you know what the main problem is with the BRZ/FRS/FT86? Ever own one? Its been reported everywhere.. Car reviews or ACTUAL OWNERS.
Its anemic.
If hp isnt everything, they why do reviewers, auto organizations, car reviewers and car manufacturers even mention hp or lay any kind of importance on it?
car enthusiast > bandwagonner
Modal170
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It's not anemic, the Torque delivery is pitiful from the 2.5k to 4k rev range, so you have to work hard for the power delivery compared to a Mazda.
Furthermore, from the insiders here, they have said it was about 2900 lbs with an output of 350 HP+. Won't name the person but again, HP isn't everything in the grand scheme of things.
Then there's a higher powered version listing 450HP that might be due around 60k that would be a corvette slayer, that is, if they keep the same price.
Read the forums before putting other people's opinion below yours. If you want a pony car, be our guest, Toyota is scheming something ebcause coming out with a 335 HP car that doesn't beat the competition it is priced in is financial suicide, and they know that.
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So, can you provide any evidence for 2,900lbs because that is substantial. Reference it.
Where did I put people's opinion under mine? I provided logical evidence with my argument. Are you mad because I am trying to fight for a better supra?
Modal170
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No, I am mad that you discredit another man's opinion as if it is foolish.
An insider noted that imagine a BMW m2, with 500 pounds less and better handling characteristics.
You think you know the supra, when Toyota didn't even know what the supra would become. It is pretty arrogant to ask for a better supra when we dont even have the product yet.
MA617M
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Actually, he said 'Cayman S' with less weight, 8 speed and B58 engine.
Yes we had someone on the forum that was involved in the project and was able to leave clues and breadcrumbs.
Yes we had someone on the forum that was involved in the project and was able to leave clues and breadcrumbs.
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I know A70 is an insider. I know. If you think that there is no purpose to me bringing up price, power and competition then think again. He is not the only insider on this board. Toyota knows what the supra is already. I dont underestimate them that they have been in development for years.
But dont you think it is pretty arrogant for consumers to demand for a manual 6 speed transmissions when toyota stated themselves that it is offered in automatic transmission only and then have its own community in uproar? Look what happened.
They are active in these forums. Like it or not. Why not voice your concerns?
Quote me where I discredit another person's opinion. Did I not provide a valid reasoning/evidence?
Aren't I providing my own opinion? I can't express my own frustration/concerns etc.. on its development? "
+1 If this is true, then it will be fantastic. Weight seems to be the biggest issue/concern. Running B58 with its equipment is not an easy achievement especially when you load the car out with electronics, safety features, etc.
Fort Saint Elmo
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You tried to defend this by saying 'I'm using logic', but there isn't actually much logic here. Let me show you logic. Your "logic" in response to someone saying 'horsepower isn't everything' is to say 'Go buy a BRZ then'. Using the same "logic" you shouldn't be here. You should go buy a Challenger Hellcat. The Supra won't have close to the horsepower of the Hellcat, and as you said, horsepower is everything.
You then said this utterly illogical thing: "If hp isnt everything, they why do reviewers, auto organizations, and car manufacturers even mention hp or lay any kind of importance on it?". Really? Unless something is EVERYTHING it wouldn't be mentioned at all? The same people and groups also talk about handling. So by your "logic" handling is everything. But how can handling be everything if horsepower is everything? They also mention reliability. So by your "logic" reliability is everything. But how can reliability be everything if horsepower is everything? I mean if handling is everything? The fact is that 'reviewers, auto organizations, and car manufacturers mention hp' because it is SOMETHING, but it is definitely not everything. Want an actual example? The low-horsepower BRZ that you disdain was named to Car & Driver's Ten Best list. So while C & D did 'mention hp', clearly hp wasn't everything.
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I think when we talk price, we have to remember Lexus is in the picture now and they were not before...Toyota has to bring the pricing for the Supra in at a price point that is below the RCF so as not to compete...
I think when we talk price, we have to remember Lexus is in the picture now and they were not before...Toyota has to bring the pricing for the Supra in at a price point that is below the RCF so as not to compete...
Haros
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Well... my uncles new highlander is $60,000 so that isn't exactly true.
Here we get landcruisers badged as Lexus, but they retain the toyota badge in USA which is $100k for us in Canada.
In Japan some of the Vans Toyota pumps out are quite expensive too.
I see your point, mind you, but the supra exists for Toyota to have a flagship.
Hell, most people don't even know Kia and Hyundai are the same company. I'm sure it holds true for Lexus and toyota to the average person.
Fort Saint Elmo
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No, I don't. Hopefully English is your second language. You fail both in a literal, word-for-word interpretation of the sentences that mention the Challenger Hellcat, and in the overall point of the post.
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