The Brembo brakes to go on the Supra

[Spilner]

Well said.



The refreshed Camaro is FUBAR.

It has1972 Camaro inspired styling

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[Jdmuscle]

Well said.



I'm at getting to that point myself. I've been holding out for three cars. The refreshed Camaro is FUBAR. The more I see/read about the Supra the more disappointed I get. Between the very uninspiring power estimates, to the non-functional yet very ugly vents, and the non-driver-centric cockpit feel. At $50k, Toyota needs to do a whole lot more than hit a weight number of sub-3000lbs, which they will likely miss by a mile. My one saving grace will be the mid-engine Corvette in a couple years.

I have no idea what happen to GM and the Camaro refresh.. they made that car Ugly AF!! It’s the Aztec of sports cars.

There are a lot of people here that’ll justify all things toyota and even go to extent of saying the design of a 95 Avalon was polarizing. I’m a firm believer of.. if you make a nice car I’ll buy it... I would’ve never bought a Mustang but Ford made an amazing product and in two years I’ve bought two from them. Toyota has mastered disappointment, they think they know the market too well and end up failing at all things sports car related.

Mid engines vette will be something that’s going to be interesting to see what comes out of it.

 

[Spilner]

I have no idea what happen to GM and the Camaro refresh.. they made that car Ugly AF!! It’s the Aztec of sports cars..

You think the 2019 camaro is bad? Gen 7 will probably take inspiration from the late 70s Camaro!

 

[Lexusisf]

Blind faith in Toyota won’t mess this thing up is something I would’ve said many years ago but they’ve disappointed over and over again.

What are the disappointments?

I am very frustrated with the lack of details and information on this car, but I wont make any opinions until we get the facts its just to early to draw conclusions...

 

[Spilner]

Blind faith in Toyota won’t mess this thing up is something I would’ve said many years ago but they’ve disappointed over and over again.

What are the disappointments?

The only time Toyota has disappointed us is in Le Mans

 

[DevonK]

It has1972 Camaro inspired styling

How that abomination of a re-style ever got approved is beyond me. Have they never heard of focus groups? Heads need to roll, blood needs to flow.

 

[Jdmuscle]

Blind faith in Toyota won’t mess this thing up is something I would’ve said many years ago but they’ve disappointed over and over again.

What are the disappointments?

I am very frustrated with the lack of details and information on this car, but I wont make any opinions until we get the facts its just to early to draw conclusions...

I was super excited when they were going to actually make a MR2 sequel... do you even remember the MR-S? Celica was awesome when it came out with the 180hp GT-S but they never updated the car and it faded away into the abyss. IS300 1st gen was amazing.. sequel to it was ok but they never offered the manual in the 350 models and the new one.. 3IS (I have one), is awesome when you get the 8spd trans in the rwd models but a manual would’ve made that car a runaway success.

RCF/GSF... amazing cars.. as long as you don’t compare them with anything in the market that it competes with. Love them both.. but leaves you with.. at 88k, the GSF is not delivering what’s it supposed to. Maybe if it were a 65-70k I’d understand. Even then.. you can get a CTSV with a discount in the 75-80k range with 650hp.

5th gen 4Runner... never updated with TSS. Why? It’s corporate sibiling the first gen safety suite.. why not here? Come on.. I can keep on going. I used to sell Toyotas during my undergrad years. Love them too much and hence the disappointment.

 

[Lexusisf]

For sure they have made some mistakes. I have considered and driven many times the RCF/GSF modes and declined to buy either and will wait for the Supra. However every car manufacter has made duds and disappoint...

 

[Jdmuscle]

For sure they have made some mistakes. I have considered and driven many times the RCF/GSF modes and declined to buy either and will wait for the Supra. However ever car manufacter has made duds and disappoint...

Fair enough but they offset it with a great product. Toyota made bland cars and mistakes only.. last awesome car was the MKIV Supra and that was 25yrs ago.

 

[HKz]

I have no idea what happen to GM and the Camaro refresh.. they made that car Ugly AF!! It’s the Aztec of sports cars.

There are a lot of people here that’ll justify all things toyota and even go to extent of saying the design of a 95 Avalon was polarizing. I’m a firm believer of.. if you make a nice car I’ll buy it... I would’ve never bought a Mustang but Ford made an amazing product and in two years I’ve bought two from them. Toyota has mastered disappointment, they think they know the market too well and end up failing at all things sports car related.

Mid engines vette will be something that’s going to be interesting to see what comes out of it.

clearly Toyota should hire you in both marketing and design

 

[Jdmuscle]

clearly Toyota should hire you in both marketing and design

Good idea.. even you get it!!

 

[Lexusisf]

Fair enough but they offset it with a great product. Toyota made bland cars and mistakes only.. last awesome car was the MKIV Supra and that was 25yrs ago.

Not sure I agree with your general point about Toyota as a car manufacturer and a blanket statement...agree the last awesome car was the MKIV Supra for enthusiasts, but they have built and sold millions of other models around the world that those buyers are very happy with. I think your frustration is aimed at the Supra model but not Toyota as a whole...

 

[Spilner]

How that abomination of a re-style ever got approved is beyond me. Have they never heard of focus groups? Heads need to roll, blood needs to flow.

Be afraid for the 7th gen, as it will be inspired by this

 

[FirstStateCamber]

I lost faith long ago, especially once the BMW was clearly linked heavily within this cars DNA. I was a buyer when I went to NYC for the FT-1, my wife thought it was sexy, then you give me this fake ass shit? WTF? I see Camry's on the road daily with fake vents. I like JDMuscle have been long time MKIV owners, and I too went and bought a true drivers car because I have no faith in Toyota with this predecessor... I will enjoy my Supra's value increasing as well as my new car...

 

[Jdmuscle]

I lost faith long ago, especially once the BMW was clearly linked heavily within this cars DNA. I was a buyer when I went to NYC for the FT-1, my wife thought it was sexy, then you give me this fake ass shit? WTF? I see Camry's on the road daily with fake vents. I like JDMuscle have been long time MKIV owners, and I too went and bought a true drivers car because I have no faith in Toyota with this predecessor... I will enjoy my Supra's value increasing as well as my new car...

Oh I’m looking forward to that.. I think MKiV values will skyrocket after Toyota fails with flying colors in commissioning BMW to make a Supra. Lol. Imagine MB making a GTR.. lol

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