I can't agree. Yes there are only currently 3 full-blown F-models but all of them have a V8. The LC 500 has one too and the upcoming LC-F will also have one but with boost added on top. It's clear in which direction they want their F-models to go. Slapping a 2.0 Turbo into something which very many cars have nowadays as standard and calling it an F-model doesn't fit into that.
Yes but along with the the AMG line and S line there's actual AMG and S models. Moreover in every size of vehicle. With Lexus its same shit different smell. They've been flogging that V8 for way too long. The LCF is still a long ways away and by the time it comes, it will be about the last luxury brand to adopt a v8 tt. Everyone else has been there already. It's easy to just disregard a good 2.0 turbo but the truth is thats the 1 engine that drives almost all these brands. That's where the money is. A large number of people work their way up to more expensive cars and that's why they need cheaper F models. That's where brand loyalty and sales begin.
Let's make one thing clear. Lexus using that V8 is not a negative but quite the contrary in fact. Most people who have driven it have become intoxicated by it and it works absolutely flawlessly like you would expect from a Lexus product. Besides that Lexus is one of the few left who even sell naturally aspirated V8s anymore. The only other choice are a few Americans and let's be honest here. A Mustang for example doesn't compare to a RC-F when it comes to build quality, reliability and all that.
It’s very much a run-of-the-mill B58 engine. Unless the Supra has a different head than any other BMW or block, there is nothing unique. A different oil pump, water pump, accessory locations, etc... doesn’t make an engine unique....it makes it “fit” better in different cars.
I hear what you're saying and to some degree I agree with you BUT the V8 is nice, very nice it's just not wow by any means. To me it feels like an easy way out for them to brand an F car. Since the ISF many moons ago, all they have managed to do is update that very engine here and there. I just feel like for alot of people who want a sporty car from a company like Lexus, there no choice whatsoever. You either have a dreary CT for a small car or a good IS or a big heavy F. There no other choices whatsoever. I want power without having to settle for a fat 150k(where I live) pig and I'm left hoping they'll one day make something that fits. Make no mistake, I'm VERY biased towards Lexus and will not touch a German car no matter what. I've had enough crap with them and learnt very expensive lessons. There's only so far reliability and quality will take you. After that you need to innovate and inject emotion which Lexus has failed to do. In a world where people scramble for SUV and crossovers, Lexus has not 1 performance version of theirs. That to me is just laziness.
And short block and turbo.
As noted in the parts diagrams leak thread, it also has a different turbo and "short engine." The engine code being B58B30C, with 'C' being a mystery. Bmw has only used 'C' for the B57D30C which the high output version of the B57
I am certain very few people realise that you aren't the only insider that frequents, comments and gives hints on this forum.none taken, but one of the folks that responded to you is someone that attends higher level meetings than that
This just means that the plastic cover is doing its job well
sure...and I’m Cristiano Rinaldo.
I'd take that 10 year old V8 over a B58 any day. Sadly, this and the 3UR might be the last V8s Toyota will ever make. I doubt the LCF will come with a TT V8, probably a performance variant of the V35A which would still be imo better than the B58 we're going to be stuck with.
I also wish Toyota didn't get this cozy with BMW. Initially I thought they'd make an all new engine for the Supra not use a somewhat run of the mill BMW one. I feel like Toyota has no grip on this project at all. For every small issue they'd have to run back to BMW and ask them what to do because nothing in the car is actually Toyota. I'd have loved something in the car to be pure Toyota. Just anything that tells us it's it's really Toyota rather than a BMW Z4 coupe tuned by GR. But there's no use complaining so I just look forward to what they will bring and know it will be a very nice car no doubt. I'm sure they've done the best they could given the nature of this collaboration. The car looks fantastic so far so that's a positive. If it handles well and is tuner friendly I suppose that's all one needs. With regards to reliability I don't know. It could be very reliable given the fact that it's taken them so many years to reach the final productI'd take that 10 year old V8 over a B58 any day. Sadly, this and the 3UR might be the last V8s Toyota will ever make. I doubt the LCF will come with a TT V8, probably a performance variant of the V35A which would still be imo better than the B58 we're going to be stuck with.
