Daily Drivers w/ Upgraded Turbo Thread

[razorlab]

@razorlab I specifically said the Pure 800 was core exchange. Maybe you should slow down and read before racing to miss the mark when trying to correct me, or whatever it is you're doing. Furthermore, I also said at the time, which necessarily precludes the existence of the Pure 900.

This is the third time in 6 weeks you've just blown past what I've written in black and white to issue some sort of "correction" to a position I never wrote or expressed. Chill, brother. I'm not here to fight with you. But I do expect you to at least offer me the courtesy of reading my post in full before you get ornery.


The rest is just, like, my opinion, man. Not interested in fighting about your opinion versus my own. I shared my firsthand experience as a customer and explained why I made my selection. Thank you.

Edit:

@_Sp1ral0ut I am familiar with the customer in that live steam and it was the install. I do know of a few customers that had "WG drift" (for lack of a better word), but have heard this was fixed in production and the affected customers were made whole.

I never liked the word "hybrid," specifically because it's linguistic quicksand. Some people say "hybrid" and mean "upgraded turbo that fits in stock location." Others mean "OEM turbo punched and stuffed." I've long wished this community at large would settle on more accurate terminology like "stuffed turbo" (Pure 800) versus mid-frame turbo (Omega, Pure 900) versus top mount (sky's the limit).

I'm glad you're enjoying your upgrade!

Pure 800 is available in either. The whole lineup is in 6 port. Pure 650/800/900 are all available in custom cast housings just like a Remnant. We are talking about turbos in a thread that started this week, not a year ago.

So 250rpm spool is your opinion then? Not a fact? Makes more sense then.

Nothing I stated in my reply to you was an opinion.

This is the third time in 6 weeks you've just blown past what I've written in black and white

Good to know you are keeping track of when your false narratives have been corrected with facts.

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[Thraxbert]

Cool. Not here to argue with you about whatever it is you think I'm doing.

Anyways.

OP, I think what you're really seeing here is that the "right option" depends on your goals and where you're at with the car. Larger turbos will generally sacrifice spool time to get more power in the top end. If your goal is something "a little more than stock," keeping the turbo on the smaller side to preserve the OEM feeling of the car may be your priority.

Or maybe you want to exceed the limits of the OEM transmission and aspire to more than about 575WTQ. If that's the case, then something like the Pure900 or Omega would be good choices to grow with your needs. They'll feel pretty close to stock while driving, but have a lot more power potential for your needs.

There are also adjacencies that factor heavily into your decision. Does the turbo you really want need a new intake? A new charge pipe? A new heat shield? A new air box? Do you need any fittings or adapters. All of these costs add up, and it may be more economical to pick a turbo that just comes with some or all of these necessities. Not all turbos are large enough, or different in location enough, to need these components. But you should verify and factor that into your cost calculations.

(Edit to add this since I see you're asking about top mount)

One thing I will take a harder line on: I'm not sure too mount is the best choice for a daily driver. They're very cool to look at, but you'll be married to custom downpipes and custom manifolds. You'll have to spend more and think more about thermal management. If you have no experience with a mechanical/pneumatic wastegate, that's something you'll have to learn how to deal with. And with bolt-on options now pushing nearly 1000HP with speedy spool, it's hard to justify top mount outside of serious power applications.

Hope you find what you're looking for. ?

 

[_Sp1ral0ut]

@razorlab I specifically said the Pure 800 was core exchange. Maybe you should slow down and read before racing to miss the mark when trying to correct me, or whatever it is you're doing. Furthermore, I also said at the time, which necessarily precludes the existence of the Pure 900.

This is the third time in 6 weeks you've just blown past what I've written in black and white to issue some sort of "correction" to a position I never wrote or expressed. Chill, brother. I'm not here to fight with you. But I do expect you to at least offer me the courtesy of reading my post in full before you get ornery.


The rest is just, like, my opinion, man. Not interested in fighting about your opinion versus my own. I shared my firsthand experience as a customer and explained why I made my selection. Thank you.

Edit:

@_Sp1ral0ut I am familiar with the customer in that live steam and it was the install. I do know of a few customers that had "WG drift" (for lack of a better word), but have heard this was fixed in production and the affected customers were made whole.

Glad to hear it was fixed. I was hoping it would be. I know anything can fail if pushed beyond its intended purpose or from other shit happens events. It just kind of put me off when - I guess - at first he was like nah.

I already started down a different path though. Maybe if I have bad luck with the Pure I'll give the Omega 65 a shot. Let's just hope we don't have to. Lol.

 

[Thraxbert]

Glad to hear it was fixed. I was hoping it would be. I know anything can fail if pushed beyond its intended purpose or from other shit happens events. It just kind of put me off when - I guess - at first he was like nah.

I already started down a different path though. Maybe if I have bad luck with the Pure I'll give the Omega 65 a shot. Let's just hope we don't have to. Lol.

Can't imagine you'll have bad luck with the Pure. It's good hardware, according to everything I've ever read. Besides: it's just turbos, not dogma. I'm glad you found what you needed and are enjoying it.

 

[razorlab]

Cool. Not here to argue with you about whatever it is you think I'm doing.

Anyways.

You're right, we were just starting to get along but then I couldn't ignore the falsehoods in your last post.

I'll chill.

 

[jyip03]

I wish there was no rollbacks. Lost some vital info .

 

[jyip03]

If I went top mount (with supporting mods), I could keep the trans stock if the tuner keeps torque in the threshold?

If not, I’ll just go pure 800.

 

[nanaisu]

I mean, you can. Top mount w/ stock trans is certainly a choice, lol. I personally wouldn't spend top mount money on a stock trans and I'm king of throwing money out the window

The one thing I will say is I daily my pure800 and it was a big upgrade and I wish I had drove a Supra, or any RWD B58 with one first. Especially if this is your first time driving a larger than stock upgraded turbo'd car.

Best advice I can give is find yourself a friend that has the upgrade you want, ask if you can drive, or if they can take you for a ride and see if it's what you like. Obviously, all cars are going to be different, but I do wish I knew how much different the new turbo felt. Probably would have went with a smaller one (650, or 700), had I known. Especially if your power goals are modest and the goal is "keep the stock trans happy"!

 

[jyip03]

I mean, you can. Top mount w/ stock trans is certainly a choice, lol. I personally wouldn't spend top mount money on a stock trans and I'm king of throwing money out the window

The one thing I will say is I daily my pure800 and it was a big upgrade and I wish I had drove a Supra, or any RWD B58 with one first. Especially if this is your first time driving a larger than stock upgraded turbo'd car.

Best advice I can give is find yourself a friend that has the upgrade you want, ask if you can drive, or if they can take you for a ride and see if it's what you like. Obviously, all cars are going to be different, but I do wish I knew how much different the new turbo felt. Probably would have went with a smaller one (650, or 700), had I known. Especially if your power goals are modest and the goal is "keep the stock trans happy"!

Yeah, my power goals would be modest. I personally am fine with just 500 whp. I don’t mind keeping the torque down if I can keep the stock trans and run a top mount kit. I’ll agree isn’t the smartest thing in the world to throw money at for a mod.

 

[djf]

Yeah, my power goals would be modest. I personally am fine with just 500 whp. I don’t mind keeping the torque down if I can keep the stock trans and run a top mount kit. I’ll agree isn’t the smartest thing in the world to throw money at for a mod.

You can make 500whp with e40 on OTS MHD tunes. No reason to get an upgraded turbo if you’re not planning on pushing above 550 (stock turbos fail around 600).

 

[jyip03]

You can make 500whp with e40 on OTS MHD tunes. No reason to get an upgraded turbo if you’re not planning on pushing above 550 (stock turbos fail around 600).

I agree, if power was the end goal.

I think building a nice engine bay is a good enough reason as well.

It’s just a thing that’s been on my mind is all. It’s also a great thread for people trying to get more info before making a decision on a turbo.

 

[TBK]

I agree, if power was the end goal.

I think building a nice engine bay is a good enough reason as well.

It’s just a thing that’s been on my mind is all. It’s also a great thread for people trying to get more info before making a decision on a turbo.

That's an expensive engine bling mod if that's all your after. But your money your call of course. Like djf said, you can pretty much hit your power goal with the OEM turbo. 500whp is nothing to scoff at.

 

[jyip03]

It really would be an expensive mod, for sure!

I personally love aesthetic mods. but I’m also not going to do it blindly, or ignorantly.

I know lots of people on this forum are about value and that’s completely understandable. There are also a lot of people/experts that know how to piece together a build, which is what I hope this thread helps them (and me!) with.

 

[djf]

I agree, if power was the end goal.

I think building a nice engine bay is a good enough reason as well.

It’s just a thing that’s been on my mind is all. It’s also a great thread for people trying to get more info before making a decision on a turbo.

Any stock location turbo isn’t really going to change the look of your engine bay, at least for anything with stock/similar sized housings like the pures.

 

[maniac]

I mean, you can. Top mount w/ stock trans is certainly a choice, lol. I personally wouldn't spend top mount money on a stock trans and I'm king of throwing money out the window

The one thing I will say is I daily my pure800 and it was a big upgrade and I wish I had drove a Supra, or any RWD B58 with one first. Especially if this is your first time driving a larger than stock upgraded turbo'd car.

Best advice I can give is find yourself a friend that has the upgrade you want, ask if you can drive, or if they can take you for a ride and see if it's what you like. Obviously, all cars are going to be different, but I do wish I knew how much different the new turbo felt. Probably would have went with a smaller one (650, or 700), had I known. Especially if your power goals are modest and the goal is "keep the stock trans happy"!

How would you say it's changed the driveability? Are you on pump fuel? How much boost is the 800 at peak and approx what rpm does it reach peak?

You can make 500whp with e40 on OTS MHD tunes. No reason to get an upgraded turbo if you’re not planning on pushing above 550 (stock turbos fail around 600).

There is ECT advantages to running slightly larger turbos which is beneficial for lots of laps!

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