👣 Official: Toyota Announces Manual Transmission Supra!

[kappa_md]

Lap times & adding more power/torque : ZF8
Full driver engagement & old school feel : 6-speed MT

Both would still be fun to drive

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[Turbro]

Just because it seems so many manual haters in here lately. Keep your auto, its really good in this car. But I am still going to be first in line for that manual option as long as its on the 3.0L engine. Its about the driving engagement for me, not the 0-60 times or lap times. Manuals are a fun transmission to drive, if you dont want it, buy an auto or not at all. Just like I havent bought an auto supra yet, driven them plenty and its great, but its not for me, and I am holding out for the manual still.

 

[REDL1NE]

Coming from years of MKIV ownership. You can always go faster, make more power, etc. In this ever evolving car world, new technology is always a day or two away. One thing has remained constant. The drivers connection to the car. It is the experience that we are after.
Whether it is auto or manual, does not matter much your preference.

Personally, I would much rather overcome .3 diff in the 1/4 mile, but have the manual trans in the car than to be 'faster' in an auto. I can make that .3 up with a mod elsewhere.

Again, no disrespect to either preference, but mine is the manual. I just feel more in control and more of a connection.

That said, I would be a buyer if a manual trans were to be offered. I think it would be a good move by Toyota and I would give them much credit for listening to their enthusiasts.

 

[Mason]

Dang this 78 thread was summed up in the first couple pages. Everyone is taking a turn on voting for fun>speed or speed=fun

 

[Supraboi7]

I’ll get flamed for this, but i could just not get down with manuals in cars, regardless of being fast or not. I really tried, owned 4 different manual cars and the foot/leg work with the clutch made it miserable, especially in traffic. I wish they had sticks that could be shifted without 3rd pedal. The auto in the Supra is great if i want to relax, and has paddle shifters if i want that extra level of engagement. That being said, Toyota should 100% offer the manual to appease the enthusiasts

 

[splv]

I’ll get flamed for this, but i could just not get down with manuals in cars, regardless of being fast or not. I really tried, owned 4 different manual cars and the foot/leg work with the clutch made it miserable, especially in traffic. I wish they had sticks that could be shifted without 3rd pedal. The auto in the Supra is great if i want to relax, and has paddle shifters if i want that extra level of engagement. That being said, Toyota should 100% offer the manual to appease the enthusiasts

Yea buddy!!! Let’s go!

 

[Cruzifer]

All for a manual option for those that want it but I love my auto! It’s not about speed for me, just more convenient.

 

[RenRed2]

Lap times & adding more power/torque : ZF8
Full driver engagement & old school feel : 6-speed MT

Both would still be fun to drive

If you put the ZF8 in Manual - what part of gear selection and timing are you not controlling lol?

Seriously - drive your ZF8 in manual and tell me what is missing besides plumbing for the clutch and the associated mech hardware -servo and fluid. It has a fully manual mode.

Too many folks reading too many auto magazines full of 'purist' writers crying like spoiled silly babies the auto makers have literally moved on from a manual stickshift gearbox. If only it had a manual would this car be worthy of any further recommendation blah mthrfkn blah blah.........

 

[Stvee]

If you put the ZF8 in Manual - what part of gear selection and timing are you not controlling lol?

Seriously - drive your ZF8 in manual and tell me what is missing besides plumbing for the clutch and the associated mech hardware -servo and fluid. It has a fully manual mode.

Too many folks reading too many auto magazines full of 'purist' writers crying like spoiled silly babies the auto makers have literally moved on from a manual stickshift gearbox. If only it had a manual would this car be worthy of any further recommendation blah mthrfkn blah blah.........

This makes me think you haven't ever actually driven a manual before. Paddle shifters are not the same level of engagement at all. It's not really even something that can be legitimately argued.

Having said that, modern automatics aren't that bad. Paddle shifters definitely help make up for not having an actual manual, but it's still not the same.

 

[REDL1NE]

Dang this 78 thread was summed up in the first couple pages. Everyone is taking a turn on voting for fun>speed or speed=fun

To be fair, there have been new 'rumors' and info that are relevant.

I’ll get flamed for this, but i could just not get down with manuals in cars, regardless of being fast or not. I really tried, owned 4 different manual cars and the foot/leg work with the clutch made it miserable, especially in traffic. I wish they had sticks that could be shifted without 3rd pedal. The auto in the Supra is great if i want to relax, and has paddle shifters if i want that extra level of engagement. That being said, Toyota should 100% offer the manual to appease the enthusiasts

No flaming. To each his own. As long as you are happy with the car, that is all the matters.

If you put the ZF8 in Manual - what part of gear selection and timing are you not controlling lol?

Seriously - drive your ZF8 in manual and tell me what is missing besides plumbing for the clutch and the associated mech hardware -servo and fluid. It has a fully manual mode.

Too many folks reading too many auto magazines full of 'purist' writers crying like spoiled silly babies the auto makers have literally moved on from a manual stickshift gearbox. If only it had a manual would this car be worthy of any further recommendation blah mthrfkn blah blah.........

Not the same level of engagement. Not close really. Modern autos are more engaging than they have ever been, but cannot really be legitimately argued.

This makes me think you haven't ever actually driven a manual before. Paddle shifters are not the same level of engagement at all. It's not really even something that can be legitimately argued.

Having said that, modern automatics aren't that bad. Paddle shifters definitely help make up for not having an actual manual, but it's still not the same.

+1

 

[zrk]

This makes me think you haven't ever actually driven a manual before. Paddle shifters are not the same level of engagement at all. It's not really even something that can be legitimately argued.

Yeah, I agree with this. I love driving a manual. The MKV is just not the car for me to have a manual in. At least this particular one that I own.

Paddle Shifting != 'Manual Driving'

 

[Mimosa]

With the amount of torque I'm aiming for, I would not have peace of mind with a manual. If I had unlimited funds for rebuilds, then maybe.

I really enjoy rowing through gears with a third pedal. The level of engagement is very soothing for my brain. But I also enjoy mindlessly slapping my paddles while freeing up my mind to better focus on other aspects of the driving experience.

Thanks to this thread, I discovered that there is a new V12 Vantage on the way. I went down a rabbit hole when I was looking to see how much torque is sacrificed on newer cars with manual transmissions.

 

[Vengeful_Sloth]

I’ll get flamed for this, but i could just not get down with manuals in cars, regardless of being fast or not. I really tried, owned 4 different manual cars and the foot/leg work with the clutch made it miserable, especially in traffic. I wish they had sticks that could be shifted without 3rd pedal. The auto in the Supra is great if i want to relax, and has paddle shifters if i want that extra level of engagement. That being said, Toyota should 100% offer the manual to appease the enthusiasts

I am just happy there are people out there that enjoy the same cars I do. I don't even care if you ever owned a Miata.

If you put the ZF8 in Manual - what part of gear selection and timing are you not controlling lol?

Seriously - drive your ZF8 in manual and tell me what is missing besides plumbing for the clutch and the associated mech hardware -servo and fluid. It has a fully manual mode.

Too many folks reading too many auto magazines full of 'purist' writers crying like spoiled silly babies the auto makers have literally moved on from a manual stickshift gearbox. If only it had a manual would this car be worthy of any further recommendation blah mthrfkn blah blah.........

It is not about the ability to select the gear I wanted to, it is more about how I am engaging with the car, how much communication I get and how much ultimate control I have. I can choose to blip the throttle for a heel and toe shift, and I know 100% that it is going to use the gear I picked. With that being said it is not ever going to be as analogue as my 89 Ferrari. I am 85% sure I'll be selling my 2021 and see if I can find a dealer that will take a deposit on a manual when they are available.

 

[PerformanceSound]

I always use the analogy of casino slot machines. You have ones that you push a button to turn the wheels and ones that you pull the lever to turn the wheels. Both will serve the same purpose and both respond to your input when triggered….however, statistics have shown the lever type machines to be more fun and engaging. It has been scientifically proven that physical interactions with mechanical controlled objects releases more dopamine in the brain than electronic controlled objects. Damn, now we are going into science-based.

 

[kappa_md]

I’d probably choose a stick shift only with the right amount of power/torque. That being said, 300-400 stock power/torque will do. Anything more than that, it will probably not be as fun to drive as I hoped for since it will be too wild to control and not really enjoyable in a street legal car.

The best thing for TOYOTA to do is to give OPTIONS. And let the end user decide which tranmission route he/she wants to. Fun is very subjective. One can have “fun” just by looking at the car, stancing it & slamming it into the ground, without a clue how to drive it properly even with an AT.

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