2020 Supra Transmission Chat - Manual, Dual Clutch, or Auto?

[Chikane]

Which makes me think about the beaten dead horse, but it seems like the world in a large part would be happy with an 86 with just more power. If say this car existed an 86 with say I dunno 260hp-300hp and with weight around it's now and I dunno 3070lbs. They would be no need for a Supra.

This is just my thoughts, I'm not in the market for another 86 so the car said above isn't even something I would consider. I'm looking for a convertible or a GT that's an upgrade from the 86 that's not a Lexus. In this case then it's a good case for the z4 and the MKV to exist, and I'm not the only one I'm sure.

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[A70TTR]

According to Tada, the reason why the 86 hasn't had a power bump is due to the chassis not meeting internal strength and rigidity targets for reliability. Tada explained this to me in detail when I asked why they don't just toss V6 into it and make like 300hp. of course, he also made the balance comment, which I don't really agree with it but whatever.

There are plenty of folks that have done so to the contrary (many up to 4x the stock power level), but if you xray'd the frame/joints it would be toast by Toyota standards.

he did however say that they could do something like that with a new chassis, but that it would cost more and likely not be so given the 4cyl Supra anyways (which makes an argument for why it should be available everywhere).

 

[Spilner]

According to Tada, the reason why the 86 hasn't had a power bump is due to the chassis not meeting internal strength and rigidity targets for reliability. Tada explained this to me in detail when I asked why they don't just toss V6 into it and make like 300hp. of course, he also made the balance comment, which I don't really agree with it but whatever.

There are plenty of folks that have done so to the contrary (many up to 4x the stock power level), but if you xray'd the frame/joints it would be toast by Toyota standards.

he did however say that they could do something like that with a new chassis, but that it would cost more and likely not be so given the 4cyl Supra anyways (which makes an argument for why it should be available everywhere).

They could trickle down the 4C Supra trans down to the 86

 

[Modal170]

They could trickle down the 4C Supra trans down to the 86

They could, but it would fuck up the collab between Subaru and Toyota. I just hope a 2nd gen 86 with a Fa24 is used and the car ends up cheaper at 23-24k as there is some R&D already completed so the car doesn't die or stop producing.

If it wasn't for the generations of Celica's, MR2's and Supra ending, I'm sure these cars would be still going and at a cheaper price.

 

[Spilner]

They could, but it would fuck up the collab between Subaru and Toyota. I just hope a 2nd gen 86 with a Fa24 is used and the car ends up cheaper at 23-24k as there is some R&D already completed so the car doesn't die or stop producing.

If it wasn't for the generations of Celica's, MR2's and Supra ending, I'm sure these cars would be still going and at a cheaper price.

Frankly, i'm happy a 2nd gen 86 is coming, despite the possibility of it looking like the Toyota Auris

 

[Modal170]

Frankly, i'm happy a 2nd gen 86 is coming, despite the possibility of it looking like the Toyota Auris

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Looking like a 86 and RX8 had a kid

 

[Spilner]

I walking by when i saw this, and i thought
"yeahhh...Jdmuscle would love this"

 

[Spilner]

???

Looking like a 86 and RX8 had a kid

kind of looks like the 350Z prototype

 

[SPMS]

I walking by when i saw this, and i thought
"yeahhh...Jdmuscle would love this"

Nah, he's going to say it's not white, nor does it have red leather, although black could work. Haha

 

[Spilner]

Nah, he's going to say it's not white, nor does it have red leather, although black could work. Haha

Though it does have a white stick

 

[supraboi]

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but Moto said Auto/Manual...

http://club4ag.com/chief-engineer-t...gh-a-viewpoint-of-joint-development-with-bmw/

 

[Spilner]

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but Moto said Auto/Manual...

http://club4ag.com/chief-engineer-t...gh-a-viewpoint-of-joint-development-with-bmw/

I mean, isn't it a DCT?

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/bmw-m-committed-to-manual-transmissionsfor-now

BMW M Committed to Manual Transmissions—for Now
Eventually, autonomy will kill them. But until then...

We suspect that auto executives are tired of C/D editors’ anxious queries about the future of the manual gearbox. Engineers have long since decided that the latest generation of clever automatic transmissions are technically superior, but Luddites like us still enjoy shifting our own gears.

Fortunately, some car companies remain willing to give the people what they want. The boss of BMW’s M division, for instance, has confirmed that manual transmissions will survive into the next generation of the company’s products, although they will eventually be killed off by the move to higher-level autonomy.

“The bad news is that if we one day have autonomous cars, then the manual cannot work anymore,” BMW M chief Frank van Meel told us at a recent press event in Spain, “so that would be, let’s say, the natural end. But that’s still some time away.”

Which brings us to the good news: BMW buyers—particularly Americans—are still choosing stick shifts in sufficient numbers to justify continued development for certain models, specifically the M2, M3, and M4, as well as their successors.

“The BMW M2 Competition still has the manual for a reason, because in the U.S. we have more than a 50 percent take rate on manual transmissions for the M2,” he said. “Buyers vote with their wallets for manual transmissions. Now, being an engineer, I would say from a rational standpoint that even though the manual gearbox is lighter than an automated gearbox, it uses more fuel and is slower, so it doesn’t really make sense . . . But from the emotional standpoint, a lot of customers say, ‘I don’t care, I want to have one.’ As long as we have these take rates on M2, and also the M3 and M4, we’re going to offer manuals, because we listen to our customers. Even though as an engineer I’d say we don’t necessarily need one. If demand is so high, then why not fulfill it?”

So stop reading this and hurry down to your local BMW dealer shouting, “Take my money!"

 

[supraboi]

I mean, isn't it a DCT?

I believe even a DCT is technically an "auto".

 

[The Comedian]

People will vote with their wallets too, if the Supra comes in Manual.

I'm guessing 70/30 in favor of manual v auto

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