2020 Supra Transmission Chat - Manual, Dual Clutch, or Auto?

[A70TTR]

(backs away slowly)

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[Modal170]

A 4 banger priced in a way as to not step on the 86 market? A70 stop hitting the like button..you're making us crazy

A 37k 86 that should have been done, but Subaru wants to be selfish or step in.

Now, we'll get a car that rivals a STI and the likes at that price range.

Never forget.
http://www.thedrive.com/news/8228/toyota-will-eventually-have-three-sports-cars-in-its-lineup

 

[Sunspot]

A 37k 86 that should have been done, but Subaru wants to be selfish or step in.

Now, we'll get a car that rivals a STI and the likes at that price range.

Never forget.
http://www.thedrive.com/news/8228/toyota-will-eventually-have-three-sports-cars-in-its-lineup

I really like the idea..Its just hard to see where three cars would fall in the market for me. I'm a huge fan but if you push me into Cayman price.....why not just by the Porsche?

 

[SS09ER]

I really like the idea..Its just hard to see where three cars would fall in the market for me. I'm a huge fan but if you push me into Cayman price.....why not just by the Porsche?

Well too many Porsches out there

 

[A70TTR]

you never beat a more established enemy with the same exact stats, even if you can manage the same quality/performance.

either you have to have better stats, cost less, or a bit of both.

 

[Mr.Jay]

I feel like the know they gotta live up to the v160/1 reputation so they going develop a super strong trans for us while releasing the auto first... Or I'm hoping

 

[mas921]

I still think a manual is a throwback mechanicthat keeps enthusiast engaged only because it reminds them of their youth.

Often the choice to have a manual comes at the cost of development money that could be better spent elsewhere on the vehicle. Manuals are slower than automatics now. I'll never for the life of me understand what attachment manual people have to pressing a 3rd petal since you can now control shifting through automanuals now too.

No offense; but i don't think you guys can actually drive a manual in a high-performance manner.
This is a short wheelbase, 2 seater; purely a performance toy. the AT-only RC-F is a better track/daily option.

In that sense please comprehend the following maneuvers:

A- in Autocross, approaching a U-turn, you come in hot, brake in a straight line, while braking at a certain point and rpm combination you clutch-kick it to jolt the rear; to minimize the turning radius by channeling some of car's momentum sideways (like a ship's rudder), and in that split second while heel and toe'ing, you blip the throttle to prepare to exit. ......In a ZF, you come-in hot, brake, press the "-" pedal and you're out.....Basically a roller coaster without the loops.

B- In drifting, to initiate a drift, or even more important to actually maintain proximity while tandem'ing at 45-50+mph, you need to "cut the power" for a split second while using the handbrake. valve-bodies really hate that. i mean like REALLY hate that....>_<

and so on.... am just rookie in these things, some pro's i try to learn from in HPDE's and AutoX's do some insane stuff by "orchestrating the pedals". it is like music!

Automatics or DCT's are fundamentally unequipped to perform many advanced driving maneuvers that are ADRENALINE BUMPING FUN.period!
I know that first hand because i own a ZF 6HP equipped car, another with a Getrag DCT and a manual one!

Automatics are faster in track times, true, but for serious lap time breaking, you're better off with a sequential anyway (which, surprise surprise, comes with a clutch for them "power cut" techniques).
Automatics are also faster in moving cars outta the showroom. (and the hence the rest of the marketing stats like 0-60... et.al)
Automatics are actually slower in Autocross, and arguably so in tight twisting tracks (mountain passes!). The ZF 8HPx's are really good at downshifting (can jump 2 gears at once !) but still "it has a mind of its own", not exactly at the command of the driver.
Automatics are orders of magnitude slower raising the adrenaline level in the human blood.

 

[solidsamir]

No offense; but i don't think you guys can actually drive a manual in a high-performance manner.
This is a short wheelbase, 2 seater; purely a performance toy. the AT-only RC-F is a better track/daily option.

In that sense please comprehend the following maneuvers:

A- in Autocross, approaching a U-turn, you come in hot, brake in a straight line, while braking at a certain point and rpm combination you clutch-kick it to jolt the rear; to minimize the turning radius by channeling some of car's momentum sideways (like a ship's rudder), and in that split second while heel and toe'ing, you blip the throttle to prepare to exit. ......In a ZF, you come-in hot, brake, press the "-" pedal and you're out.....Basically a roller coaster without the loops.

B- In drifting, to initiate a drift, or even more important to actually maintain proximity while tandem'ing at 45-50+mph, you need to "cut the power" for a split second while using the handbrake. valve-bodies really hate that. i mean like REALLY hate that....>_<

and so on.... am just rookie in these things, some pro's i try to learn from in HPDE's and AutoX's do some insane stuff by "orchestrating the pedals". it is like music!

Automatics or DCT's are fundamentally unequipped to perform many advanced driving maneuvers that are ADRENALINE BUMPING FUN.period!
I know that first hand because i own a ZF 6HP equipped car, another with a Getrag DCT and a manual one!

Automatics are faster in track times, true, but for serious lap time breaking, you're better off with a sequential anyway (which, surprise surprise, comes with a clutch for them "power cut" techniques).
Automatics are also faster in moving cars outta the showroom. (and the hence the rest of the marketing stats like 0-60... et.al)
Automatics are actually slower in Autocross, and arguably so in tight twisting tracks (mountain passes!). The ZF 8HPx's are really good at downshifting (can jump 2 gears at once !) but still "it has a mind of its own", not exactly at the command of the driver.
Automatics are orders of magnitude slower raising the adrenaline level in the human blood.

So manuals are better at drifting and doing high speed u-turns. Bro I drive the speed limit and maintain a 3 second space cushion during rush hour.

Joking aside, I understand the visceral experience you manny trannies crave. Manuals are on their way out, thats just the way it is.

 

[jm6k]

90% of the time, I really hate this forum.

 

[HKz]

solidsamir needs a g27 and a copy of assetto corsa

 

[Blupra]

So manuals are better at drifting and doing high speed u-turns. Bro I drive the speed limit and maintain a 3 second space cushion during rush hour.

Joking aside, I understand the visceral experience you manny trannies crave. Manuals are on their way out, thats just the way it is.

We understand manuals are on their way out... but we still love them. I don’t fault the auto-DCT-PDK crowd, they are faster and more efficient in most situations, and way more convinient if you commute in traffic. And I don’t fault the manufacturers because they sell better and put better 0-60 times in the magazines. But I would take the slower less efficient manual because for us ‘manny trannies’ a good manual is just pure sex. Hence why my S2000 is a keeper.

 

[corry29]

^Couldn't have agreed any better.

Purists still exist in this automotive world

 

[LEG1T]

Manuals have nothing to do with the performance, but everything to do with the experience.

It is as emotional as it is intuitive. It demands to be driven and requires a driver.

For as long as a true sportscar exists, so should a manual transmission.

Modernists, would argue against it but you cannot ignore the very DNA of what makes a sports car great for sake of speed and shift times.

Enthusiasts would be happy to loose tenths of a second for the smile of a manual rev matched heel toe into a corner.

 

[MotorFF]

I keep away from these "manuals vs the world" discussion because they really are as pleasant as a lobotomy but, me being me, I just can't keep my mouth shut.
Also, as comrade Stalin used to say: "It is easier to kill than to convince" so I truly understand that there is no convincing what is better/best - as long as we accept each others view then all good, world keeps on spinning on its axis, around the sun - all is good.

Alright, so far in my driving career I have had 5 sports cars, all coupes, first 3 were manuals, notable mention being the R33 GT-R V-Spec.
Mega fun to drive, just pure enthusiasts bliss, heel-toe and all that gumpf.

4th car was an R35, and with the DCT it was mega fast, mega accomplished and boring as watching the paint dry. Maybe because I LEARNED how to drive in the 1990s, maybe, I find manuals just fun, engaging and genuine drivers cars. Maybe R35 would be great fun on the track but let's face it,majority of normal people can't afford to track/wreck a 100K plus cars anyway.
I understand that DCT/auto is quicker, but how does that matter for 99% (ar$e pluck I know) driving situations. Just a simple clutch, gear change motion in traffic brings a smile to my face, couldn't care less that I'm possibly 0.3 sec 0-100km/h slower or that I use more fuel.

In short - if this Supra is auto-only I will cry into my weet bix, and most likely would not even consider it. If the manual does exit, or will exist in 2019/2020 then we are cooking with gas.
Porsche at least understands that you have to please the 5%, or even less, of us enthusiasts, the old-school guys, regardless of majority of buyers opting for the PDK. Nothing wrong with giving people an option.

Disclaimer: Fully understanding that auto-are-the-best-and-fastest drivers will never understand, but I had no intention to convince them anyway - at least I know I'm correct

 

[upnsmoke]

am I reading some posters dissing manual?

its not all about speed or performance when it comes to why people want manual....


manual allows the driver to be in more control and its the experience of shifting gears thats accustom to any pure driving pleasure.

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