Best Motoring: GR Supra 6MT vs. 8AT Touge Showdown【Hot-Version】2022 <ENG-Sub>

[6SPDA91]

This was interesting. It's obvious the suspension updates were the difference between the years not so much manual vs auto. Every year they keep improving this car in stock form.

I'm surprised with the gearing in the manual supra 3.46 just seems like to much. to short. Maybe bmw only had two stock options the auto 3.15 or the 3.46? with out created another option? The MKIV supra with the v160 and 3.13 final drive top has a similar top speed to auto 8spd mkv.
The transmission ratios between the v160 and the mkv 6spd are pretty close to the same other than 1st gear being higher.

I'd like to drive a manual with the 3.15 final drive. I bet it's a little bit slower for drag racing/ 0-60 but everywhere else it would be nicer. road racing, daily driving, mpg increase, less shifting. ESPC with the b58 low end grunt this car would have no issue with a 3.15 final drive. I'd like to try one out. I wonder how hard it would be to swap out (elec/programing items)

That being said my old MKIV with the 3.27 gear was the perfect ratio with the v160 & 2jz powerband. B58 could easily go to 3.15 or somewhere in the middle. But 3.46 might have been a choice because it was already available bmw stock item and they knew it would perform well for the numbers comparision vs a auto 8 spd. The last thing toyota wants is these manuals sitting on lots not being purchased because of performance numbers.

I think it was a decision Toyota made for a reason. They mentioned that the manual transmission was designed by Toyota for this car specifically. I'm sure there was a reason for it. The gear ratio honestly doesn't make the car unwieldy at all.

My vote is that they did it to compete with the AT, especially with 2 less gears.

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[AutoDelight]

Regardless, I have a miata and all my other cars are MT. The Auto is still superior in this vehicle than anything else. Problem solved, close the thread.


((I'm just here to troll, don't mind me though i feel that someone is going to fire back..lmao))

 

[Mark5]

Auto Supra should be faster in straight line unless something is really wrong. Also, the GR rep in the video seemed adamant suspension was the same... Strange for sure


'21 Auto C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.8 sec
100 mph: 8.8 sec
130 mph: 15.2 sec
150 mph: 21.9 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.7 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.7 sec
1/4 mile: 12.1 sec @ 117 mph

C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 22 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 34 mpg
Highway range: 460 miles

'23 Manual C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.9 sec
100 mph: 9.6 sec
130 mph: 16.1 sec
150 mph: 22.9 sec
1/4-Mile: 12.4 sec @ 114 mph

C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 19 mpg

 

[Joker328]

I think it was a decision Toyota made for a reason. They mentioned that the manual transmission was designed by Toyota for this car specifically. I'm sure there was a reason for it. The gear ratio honestly doesn't make the car unwieldy at all.

My vote is that they did it to compete with the AT, especially with 2 less gears.

The MT ratios and final drive seem like they would be pretty good for the track or performance driving in general, and going any taller down low would probably sacrifice the key acceleration metrics. But my issue is when OEM's throw short final drives in to get the times it means you are cruising on the highway in 6th at 3K RPM. It would be great if they would throw a really tall 6th gear on it for fuel economy and to cut the highway drone, but I guess it's too much to ask when they are pulling from a ZF parts bin.

 

[6SPDA91]

The MT ratios and final drive seem like they would be pretty good for the track or performance driving in general, and going any taller down low would probably sacrifice the key acceleration metrics. But my issue is when OEM's throw short final drives in to get the times it means you are cruising on the highway in 6th at 3K RPM. It would be great if they would throw a really tall 6th gear on it for fuel economy and to cut the highway drone, but I guess it's too much to ask when they are pulling from a ZF parts bin.

Could always do what Porsche did and go 7 sp and have a highway cruising gear.

 

[Mark5]

PDK vs Manual GT4 for reference. Was expecting a larger gap tbh. The Supra's gap to top speed between auto and manual is actually larger.


2021 Cayman GT4 PDK C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.3 sec
100 mph: 7.8 sec
130 mph: 13.7 sec
150 mph: 20.3 sec

2020 Cyanman GT4 Manual C/D Test Results
60 mph: 3.7 sec
100 mph: 8.3 sec
130 mph: 14.0 sec
150 mph: 20.4 sec

Auto Supra should be faster in straight line unless something is really wrong. Also, the GR rep in the video seemed adamant suspension was the same... Strange for sure


'21 Auto C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.8 sec
100 mph: 8.8 sec
130 mph: 15.2 sec
150 mph: 21.9 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.7 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.7 sec
1/4 mile: 12.1 sec @ 117 mph

C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 22 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 34 mpg
Highway range: 460 miles

'23 Manual C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.9 sec
100 mph: 9.6 sec
130 mph: 16.1 sec
150 mph: 22.9 sec
1/4-Mile: 12.4 sec @ 114 mph

C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 19 mpg

 

[6SPDA91]

PDK vs Manual GT4 for reference. Was expecting a larger gap tbh. The Supra's gap to top speed between auto and manual is actually larger.


2021 Cayman GT4 PDK C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.3 sec
100 mph: 7.8 sec
130 mph: 13.7 sec
150 mph: 20.3 sec

2020 Cyanman GT4 Manual C/D Test Results
60 mph: 3.7 sec
100 mph: 8.3 sec
130 mph: 14.0 sec
150 mph: 20.4 sec

Very interesting comparison. The zf really starts to open up after 60mph

 

[GRMan]

Great review. Love it

GRMN and 6MT + handbrake, please show yourself

 

[trev_rs]

Not sure which video the first couple of responders here watched, but it looked like in this situation it was a draw. In the second race of the video the AT car had a slide and was still able to "close the gap". I'd like to see the same video on an actual circuit with room to overtake.

Never realized the "no hand brake" until now.

These drivers are also better behind the wheel than I suspect almost everyone on here is, so the auto would favor less skilled drivers. I still believe in the "real world" the AT drivers would win more times than not in most situations.

The difference in handling could be something to do with slight differences in weight balance between the 2 cars. Also, the AT was a 2021. No idea what kind of mileage or abuse it had taken prior to this.

 

[94boosted]

Must be the only current vehicle produced where the MT version is faster than the AT, engine/variant being equal

Not the first time. 2019 BMW M2 Competition Is Quickest with a Manual Gearbox (caranddriver.com)

 

[Natedawg]

PDK vs Manual GT4 for reference. Was expecting a larger gap tbh. The Supra's gap to top speed between auto and manual is actually larger.

2021 Cayman GT4 PDK C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.3 sec
100 mph: 7.8 sec
130 mph: 13.7 sec
150 mph: 20.3 sec

2020 Cyanman GT4 Manual C/D Test Results
60 mph: 3.7 sec
100 mph: 8.3 sec
130 mph: 14.0 sec
150 mph: 20.4 sec

The First GT4s they were trying to protect the 911 sales. Porsche was very concerned about losing 911 buyers in the 991 era. Because the cayman was such a better car for times/ racing. The gt4 manual has awful gear ratios. Many people re gear them. They are super long from the factory.

I feel the supra went to far the other way on the final drive. Will be interesting to see if and what changes there will be for 2024 model year.

 

[Stvee]

The First GT4s they were trying to protect the 911 sales. Porsche was very concerned about losing 911 buyers in the 991 era. Because the cayman was such a better car for times/ racing. The gt4 manual has awful gear ratios. Many people re gear them. They are super long from the factory.

I feel the supra went to far the other way on the final drive. Will be interesting to see if and what changes there will be for 2024 model year.

The manual gear ratios and differential final drive ratio are the same as the M3/M4 because they are essentially the same units. Toyota made a few small changes to the transmission and the clutch is new but that's about it.

That combination of gearing works fine.

 

[Mark5]

Maybe to 60mph but otherwise slower.

2019 M2 Competition DCT C/D
TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.9 sec

2019 M2 Competition Manual C/D
TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 3.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.5 sec

Not the first time. 2019 BMW M2 Competition Is Quickest with a Manual Gearbox (caranddriver.com)

 

[BMWAF]

Maybe to 60mph but otherwise slower.

2019 M2 Competition DCT C/D
TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.9 sec

2019 M2 Competition Manual C/D
TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 3.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.5 sec

Well, with the vast majority of drivers only needing to get to the speed limit, gearing for getting to that limit (or slightly above) makes perfect sense.

 

[Schang105]

Really enjoyed this video. I always learn something new watching DK, Nobu, and Max driving the GR Supra. Notice that both Nobu and Max have very smooth steering inputs whereas DK appears to be sawing more at the wheel.

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