Hybrid Supra Rumors & Chatter / B58 hybrid

[Spilner]

NSX is evidence enough as to why the hybrid setup wouldn't work on the Supra

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[BrettS]

I have a hard time believing any of these recent hybrid rumours

 

[tfoxyr]

Hybrid for an engine could mean several things actually. The nsx has a complex system that is good but it is heavy . But other things can mean hybrid , take for example audi sq7 that has an electric turbo (supercharger technically) and another 2 regular turbos on a v8 diesel , this car with 435 hp and weighting 2400kg can do 0-100 km/h (0-62 m/h) in 4.8 seconds . If this is not impressing i don't know what is. Btw the electric turbo does not add much weight because it uses lithium ion battery , so if the packaging is done right and research is done with batteries and stuff hybrids could cost less and offer good performance.

 

[Villa Jonny]

At this point.. A little bit of me dies every time I read rumors.

 

[A70TTR]

just about everything in that article is ridiculous... $100k for a TRD Supra (and it's hybrid)? I dont think Toyota is that insane.

I can however see the GRMN/TRD car being 15-20k+ over the standard car, much like the C7 Corvette performance levels (base, GS, Z06).

 

[A70TTR]

I dont necessarily discount the idea of a hybrid, aside from Tada preferring traditional propulsion systems, but I do discount anything over $80k price wise and also think it would be weird for the TRD/GRMN car.

 

[tfoxyr]

A mild hybrid system would not drive the price up too much , maybe 1k or 2k maximum , also it wouldn't add weight that could be spotted easily and it would offer performance in an instant , not big performance like nsx , smaller than that but still an improvement. For the Gazoo car tho i believe the price should not exceed high 60s fully loaded , but that car should offer something that can make it a halo car , i don't know what could that be , but there are many things that toyota can do to push the industry , and ultimately i believe that is the purpose of a halo car , to show the world what the brand stands for and the crazy capabilities that push things forward.

 

[Spilner]

MKV looking like a bigger GT86 wouldn't be too crazy

 

[HKz]

A mild hybrid system would not drive the price up too much , maybe 1k or 2k maximum , also it wouldn't add weight that could be spotted easily and it would offer performance in an instant , not big performance like nsx , smaller than that but still an improvement. For the Gazoo car tho i believe the price should not exceed high 60s fully loaded , but that car should offer something that can make it a halo car , i don't know what could that be , but there are many things that toyota can do to push the industry , and ultimately i believe that is the purpose of a halo car , to show the world what the brand stands for and the crazy capabilities that push things forward.

cars under 100 K are not going to be showcasing any new tech hence why all the big innovators are in the 6 figures... very few recent advancements have trickled down to cheaper models, the carbon tub in the 4C being really the only car to feature exotic hardware. mild hybrids, especially the way you describe it, are still a pipe dream otherwise you would see nearly every single luxury model include one..

 

[tfoxyr]

cars under 100 K are not going to be showcasing any new tech hence why all the big innovators are in the 6 figures... very few recent advancements have trickled down to cheaper models, the carbon tub in the 4C being really the only car to feature exotic hardware. mild hybrids, especially the way you describe it, are still a pipe dream otherwise you would see nearly every single luxury model include one..

This actually isn't true . The most recent example i can give you is the toyota prius , one of the biggest innovations in terms of powertrain setup in recent car history, it was the first car sold with hybrid engine and it is a car that is nowhere near the levels of even half the 100k . Second example is the Citroen DS(also called the frog ) of 1972 , this was a car that had one of the best handlings of its era , it used some form of hydraulic suspension that even with todays standards is considered good. It was near the 30k with todays money with inflations considered , it was an innovation that literally pushed the other carmakers to make moves forward . I can give other examples too , some were done on cheap cars that i mentioned some were done on more expensive ones like the audi sq7 . As for mild hybrids you can look to honda , suzuki , bmw and many more and find that they all innovate in this area . Honda tried recently but failed with the crz , suzuki is offering mild hybrids on the swift and it boosted its power by 15-20hp , without adding weight . The biggest problem is in fact the switch to 48 volts , theoretically it is a small change , but in reality it is not trivial . This would differentiate cars made before 2018 from future models in some key areas. That means more money on research on batteries , on their lifespans etc. So not all automakers have the kind of money to spend on research and change many wirings on the car to accomondate the new electricity source.

Btw the bmw-toyota agreement has as a priority the research of those technologies , so they can be applied to normal vehicles , and at the last moment i think they agreed on the sports car , so let's see , i will be certainly happy to see something other than the ordinary formula , and actually be good.

 

[HKz]

eh, the prius was for economical purposes and the citroen was in a very different automotive era. my point stands, for performance cars it is hard to see any significant tech that would be developed for a cheaper platform.. the next step is definitely bringing down the cost of a true performance hybrid but the nsx shows where that is currently at. as for the swift, is a 0-60 of slightly over 10 secs really proof that it works? ..and this is for a car that is much lighter than what the supra is anticipated to be. asking for something different might compromise the performance when they should use their resources to maximize it. light chassis + bmw block + toyota head + twin turbo is a promising formula.

 

[A70TTR]

HKz is essentially going the direction I was going with my argument, which is to say for the given price point and for a performance car anything hybrid is a fairly ridiculous IMO. He did a good job of detailing the exact reasoning as well.

 

[tfoxyr]

Oh yeah of course i am the last person to want any compromise to the project but since the agreement is mainly for research purposes about hybrid tech , batteries , it wouldn't surprise me and i would welcome some form of electrification if it only had benefits .
For the suzuki swift , the new model that has this simple mild hybrid system , it achieved a lot better fuel economy and emmissions while reducing 0-100 times by 1 sec from the previous model.
while it doesn't seem much , for me it seems it has serious potential for performance and maybe we can see some of the research fruits of the collab.

 

[jm6k]

I was on vacation when this news came out, but I haven't seen it mentioned here. Similarly to BMW, Toyota recently stated that they will have a hybrid or fully electric option for every vehicle in their lineup by 2025. Sounds like if the Supra is still around by then at least, there will be a hybrid drive option. That would explain the early rumors that it will have electric motors, and also the recent rumors that it will not. Maybe at launch, from what the insiders know, it will be fuel and turbos, but by 2025 we'll get the hybrid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/toy...ave-an-electric-or-hybrid-option-by-2025.html

 

[A70TTR]

that's important to note ^

I do think they could easily have a hybrid version eventually dependent on their goals and how long they plan to sell the car.

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