Hybrid Supra Rumors & Chatter / B58 hybrid

[Supra93]

This new 86 however, is just the beginning of Toyota's sports car renaissance. Soon, there will be an entry-level sports car, and of course, a Big Dog range-topper. You know the name.

"With my next sportscar," explains Tada-san, "I want to make a big... ‘wow'." His arms gesticulate large vortex circles. "Nobody expected us to build something like the GT 86. I want to give the world a shock."Does that mean we are - whisper it - getting a new Supra?

He laughs. Quite loudly. "Of course, anything is possible." Sasaki-san also chirrups in. "With the 86, we didn't want to use driver aids - that's the thinking. But new Supra means big power, so we need something for that. It'll be a different avenue of sports car from the GT 86."

Tantalisingly, neither of them would formulate anything concrete, so it remains as thus: the GT 86 is the hot new thing on the block, and a new Supra is "just one avenue of sports car Toyota could take. There are others too."One thing is for sure however: if Tada-san has his way, the new sports car definitely won't be a hybrid.

"Our LMP1 programme gave us a good insight into hybrid performance, but for me, I think current hybrid technology is not good for road sports cars. I don't really want that." I inform him about the cosmically-quick Porsche 918 Spyder - built by a company both he and Sasaki greatly admire from an engineering perspective - and he laughs again. "That's a very good hybrid drivetrain, but it's for the man who has an unlimited amount of money. I don't like that. I want to build a car that everybody can afford, a car for the ordinary people, not something that requires too much money."A champion of the everyday petrolhead, no?

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/toyota-gt-86-tetsuya-tada-yoshinori-sasaki-2012-08-24?imageNo=01

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[black-supra]

Sounds like the media is just bored and making up crap again.

 

[Craigy]

Excellent quotes.

Everyone who keeps insisting that the MkV will be hybrid, 4 cylinder, plug-in, fuel cell, or other BS, has clearly not been listening to anything that the top brass at Toyota and Calty have been saying.

 

[S O B]

I'm pretty sure Tada san has already said the Flagship Toyota sports car won't be a hybrid.

Good. Theres guys I know that won't buy a car just because it's a hybrid. Probably an image thing, but things like image really do effect sales.

 

[black-supra]

Interesting comment about the "just one avenue of sports car" ... i've always felt there is more room in between a top of the line sports car which the Supra should be and the 86.

 

[Supraman]

I don't see a hybrid for this car. Not for the first generation at least.

 

[Supra93]

For that hinted price tag of $50k-$60k, I also don't believe it will be a hybrid, unlike with the $100k+ NSX II and R36 GT-R.

I would also like to add that unlike past concepts like the: FT-HS, LF-LC, LF-Ch, LF-Gh, and etc. which were clearly labeled as hybrid concepts; FT-1 currently show no sign of being hybrid related. However, that doesn't mean that there won't be a hybrid version; I'm just simply stating there isn't really any evidences of a hybrid FT-1 at the moment.

 

[Craigy]

For that hinted price tag of $50k-$60k, I also don't believe it will be a hybrid, unlike with the $100k+ NSX II and R36 GT-R.

+1, the price makes it very obvious. You can spend $40k on a plug-in Prius. $60k for some new hybrid sportscar sounds unrealistic at best.

 

[JonMon]

What is the cheapest hybrid sports car out there?

 

[Supraman]

I don't think this will end up being a hybrid. Maybe there will be a special edition hybrid version later on or even the second generation of it may be hybrid. But I think the Lexus LF-LC production version will be Toyota/Lexus first hybrid sports car which I believe may come out a year or 2 after the FT1 production release.

 

[Supra93]

What is the cheapest hybrid sports car out there?

The Honda CR-Z at $19,995.

Lol, but foreal.

BMW i8 - $135,700
Porsche 918 - $845,000
McLaren P1 - $1.15 million
Ferrari LaFerrari - $1.2 million

 

[Supraman]

^ Yeah with those prices I doubt Toyota will make the FT1 hybrid. Not that they can't make one but if they are targetting a 50-60k sports car, I dont see it.

The next affordable hybrid sports car will be the NSX though which is going to reveal at Detroit in a few weeks. My estimate is $120k.

 

[JonMon]

Affordable? i guess it is all relative, none of those cars are even close to affordable to me.

With prices of even historically cheap v8's from the domestic co's reaching into the $50's fully optioned. toyota will have a hard enough time keeping it affordable with a regular turbo V6 nevermind a hybrid.

 

[high roller]

^ Yeah with those prices I doubt Toyota will make the FT1 hybrid. Not that they can't make one but if they are targetting a 50-60k sports car, I dont see it.

The next affordable hybrid sports car will be the NSX though which is going to reveal at Detroit in a few weeks. My estimate is $120k.

NSX will definitely be over $100k which means there isn't a serious hybrid sports car that costs less than 100 grand. Which means thank god the Supra won't be a hybrid

 

[gymratter]

while i would not be interested in a hybrid; i would like to play devil's advocate for a minute.

back when the FT-HS debut in 2006/2007, Toyota said a production version could cost around $35k. with the rate of inflation that would be around $41k today. i know that isn't real hardcore info/facts, but its something to keep in mind. also, cost could be saved with the BMW partnership as well. i guess we will know for sure in a couple of years.

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