Is there such a thing as to order a 2025 through a dealer?

[jchadwell]

2024 are done and the last of them are shipping. 2025 allocations have already begun. Check toyota.com. Careful with add-ons in NOLA and Baton Rouge. Dealers up that way love to add things like VIN Etching and wax jobs for $2K to drive up the out the door price.

What colors and transmission do you seek?

Half serious/half joking comment: Is there a different price if you buy the car but it stays in the showroom? If it never goes out the showroom door. I just don’t understand why so many people are hung up on an “out the door” price. Can you imagine how confused the Walmart cashier would get if you said something like “hey, I really like that grill set you have on display over there. What price can I get it for out the door?” The price is the price. You pay tax and, if you want, can get an extended warranty on a grill just like a car. Only difference is the additional DMV fees but those have no bearing on what you pay for the car. You can also buy accessories for a grill like covers, utensils, a wire cleaning brush just like you could choose to buy accessories for a car if want to though most are pretty much worthless. Doesn’t matter though. Those add on accessories also have a price which doesn’t matter if it’s in the showroom, out the door and into the parking lot, or under an interstate overpass. The price is still the price.

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[Stedy]

I ordered one at a dealer last November, was given an ETA, received a build allocation, ship number and 10 months after ordering I received the keys. No funny business. Maybe it's different here in Oz, we also don't get dealers putting ridiculous markups on them. It's basically the same price everywhere you go.

 

[F348]

Half serious/half joking comment: Is there a different price if you buy the car but it stays in the showroom? If it never goes out the showroom door. I just don’t understand why so many people are hung up on an “out the door” price. Can you imagine how confused the Walmart cashier would get if you said something like “hey, I really like that grill set you have on display over there. What price can I get it for out the door?” The price is the price. You pay tax and, if you want, can get an extended warranty on a grill just like a car. Only difference is the additional DMV fees but those have no bearing on what you pay for the car. You can also buy accessories for a grill like covers, utensils, a wire cleaning brush just like you could choose to buy accessories for a car if want to though most are pretty much worthless. Doesn’t matter though. Those add on accessories also have a price which doesn’t matter if it’s in the showroom, out the door and into the parking lot, or under an interstate overpass. The price is still the price.

You might be lucky where you live but here you need the out the door price to force them to list all their tricks. If when you got to the Wal-Mart register, they added a wax job to your grill for $2K and a preparation fee for $1,500, you would want to know that before you brought the grill to the register.

I had dealer in Baton Rouge offer me car at MSRP plus a doc fee of $399. When I received the details to submit a deposit, they had added $2K of additional add-ons that were "required" that were not part of MSRP.

In Florida, it is common for dealers to add about $2K of additional fees as dealer fees and electronic filing fees. Those are only detailed if you get an out the door price.

 

[jchadwell]

You might be lucky where you live but here you need the out the door price to force them to list all their tricks. If when you got to the Wal-Mart register, they added a wax job to your grill for $2K and a preparation fee for $1,500, you would want to know that before you brought the grill to the register.

I had dealer in Baton Rouge offer me car at MSRP plus a doc fee of $399. When I received the details to submit a deposit, they had added $2K of additional add-ons that were "required" that were not part of MSRP.

In Florida, it is common for dealers to add about $2K of additional fees as dealer fees and electronic filing fees. Those are only detailed if you get an out the door price.

I get what you’re saying but that is still just the price you are paying-assuming you are willing to pay for those add ons/accessories.

When I buy a car, I require them to give me a completed purchase order. That’s what I agree to pay. If it has stupid shit on it I say no and if we can’t come to an agreement I don’t buy. It’s still the price. Using the Walmart analogy the purchase order is the price tag on the grill. A price is a price in my opinion. Probably semantics. ?

 

[F348]

I get what you’re saying but that is still just the price you are paying-assuming you are willing to pay for those add ons/accessories.

When I buy a car, I require them to give me a completed purchase order. That’s what I agree to pay. If it has stupid shit on it I say no and if we can’t come to an agreement I don’t buy. It’s still the price. Using the Walmart analogy the purchase order is the price tag on the grill. A price is a price in my opinion. Probably semantics. ?

The purchase order is where you see the "out the door price", it is just another way to ask for the true price; so, we are saying the same thing.

 

[jchadwell]

The purchase order is where you see the "out the door price", it is just another way to ask for the true price; so, we are saying the same thing.

Agreed. It’s still just a price though. Where it could more important is when people want to know if such and such “out the door” price is a good deal or not and they want to include everything. Taxes, add ons, doc fee, DMV fees. Everything. You simply can’t do that because most of those don’t have anything to do with the price of the car. Doc fees vary from dealer to dealer. Taxes vary from state to state and sometimes county to county. Same with DMV fees. Rather than a “out the door” price, you have to consider what the price of the car is, what the doc fee is, and the price of any add ons you foolishly agree to pay for to determine if it’s a good deal or not. Everything else is irrelevant because they are set by the state or county and are not within you or the dealers control. That’s the only point I’m making.
Also, the next time I’m at Walmart or Home Depot or some other store I still want to ask the cashier what the out the door price is on whatever it is I’m buying. I bet that would be hilarious.

 

[wilorichie]

It's so strange you can't order in America. If you live in Australia, you can order and select your options. You do not get to pick "year" of course. The dealer can login to the Toyota system and see your options selected and screenshot. I was constantly checking mine (I worked at the dealership) when I ordered as it provides unreliable ETAs (that often get pushed out) on build date, shipping etc.

Our options are limited, which might be why we can order. Our options are gt or gts, colour, transmission, interior colour and leather or alcantara. Everything else is a separate "parts order".

 

[SupraMike40]

call your dealer, cross your fingers, hope you get an allocation

 

[vlad]

Autos are easier to get if that’s what you want. Seriously just go out of state to get it now probably at msrp or less. Check Toyota inventory website daily. A lot of us had to go out of state. Manuals are way rarer and harder to get as lists are long for them.

There are more manuals on the Toyota.com inventory page than autos. Looking in a 500 mile radius, I’m seeing 31 listings, 6 of them are auto. I’m on a waiting list at my local dealer and was offered the color and options I wanted, but with a manual, 3 months after getting on the list. 2 months after that, still no auto in the color and options I want.

 

[FLtrackdays]

Agreed. It’s still just a price though. Where it could more important is when people want to know if such and such “out the door” price is a good deal or not and they want to include everything. Taxes, add ons, doc fee, DMV fees. Everything. You simply can’t do that because most of those don’t have anything to do with the price of the car. Doc fees vary from dealer to dealer. Taxes vary from state to state and sometimes county to county. Same with DMV fees. Rather than a “out the door” price, you have to consider what the price of the car is, what the doc fee is, and the price of any add ons you foolishly agree to pay for to determine if it’s a good deal or not. Everything else is irrelevant because they are set by the state or county and are not within you or the dealers control. That’s the only point I’m making.
Also, the next time I’m at Walmart or Home Depot or some other store I still want to ask the cashier what the out the door price is on whatever it is I’m buying. I bet that would be hilarious.

Dealers will cut a lot of the bullshit if you use terms they are used to. Out the door is a common term for them. Junk fees are as well. The dealer has plenty of holdback (profit built in) on the vehicle. That being said, I always ask: 1) if there are any junk fees 2) what’s the “out the door price”. It will save buyers a huge amount of time & hassle when you get those things out of the way up front.

And to clarify for others, no one should be paying any junk fees. Such as “market adjustment”, dealer installed stuff, or post sale (closing office) 3rd party items the finance guy will try to add when signing your docs. Unless it’s something you really want. I would expect to pay MSRP (or less for a Dodge with a higher MDS) and fixed fees (such as, dealer fee, tax, title, tag).

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