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[A70TTR]

Toyota considers the 86 a success (numbers agree as HKz said), and it's 100% the reason the board greenlit the Supra project... This is also knowledge that is out there in interview form, both from Tada and a few colleagues.

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[DevonK]

^ Well if they consider it a success, it's all the more surprising that there is no evidence at all that they are doing anything to prolong that success by offering a gen 2 86. No shots of mules or prototypes, dead silence in the media (beyond baseless speculation). Either Toyota has done an unprecedented job of keeping everyone in the dark about a gen 2 or the 86 is now in the palliative care ward. Considering how much has leaked about the Supra, I think the latter is more likely.

 

[tfoxyr]

^ Well if they consider it a success, it's all the more surprising that there is no evidence at all that they are doing anything to prolong that success by offering a gen 2 86. No shots of mules or prototypes, dead silence in the media (beyond baseless speculation). Either Toyota has done an unprecedented job of keeping everyone in the dark about a gen 2 or the 86 is now in the palliative care ward. Considering how much has leaked about the Supra, I think the latter is more likely.

Many rumours about different setups (2.4 boxer and more) but nothing concrete even for the continuation of the car. The latest thing i read was a downsized 1.8 liter turbo with about 260hp and even though that is what everybody would want from a 2nd gen who knows?

I hope that we hear something about the 2nd gen 86 soon. I wonder though if a 2nd gen 86 would compete with 4 cyl supra, hypothetically speaking of course.

 

[Spilner]

^ Well if they consider it a success, it's all the more surprising that there is no evidence at all that they are doing anything to prolong that success by offering a gen 2 86. No shots of mules or prototypes, dead silence in the media (beyond baseless speculation). Either Toyota has done an unprecedented job of keeping everyone in the dark about a gen 2 or the 86 is now in the palliative care ward. Considering how much has leaked about the Supra, I think the latter is more likely.

3 years too early

 

[A70TTR]

Successful =/= dumping a bunch of money into a new platform, especially when said success is only relative to other sports cars and not all vehicles. that's fine and is all they wanted, but dont think for a moment that the 86 would ever even be mentioned in the same sentence as say Camry or Corolla lol.

Even then, ever notice how most Toyotas are on extended release schedules with only periodic refreshes (bumpers, interiors)? they're maximizing profit as much as possible for as long as possible on each platform introduced (this is also how they maintain that stellar reliability; test for long period and sell for long period).

 

[DevonK]

3 years too early

Maybe by Toyota's standards, but not the industry's. The car is entering its 7th model year with no real changes at all beyond a new (and ugly) front bumper cover and LED lighting. The infotainment was already out of date in 2012, and nothing of any significance has been done to address its biggest weakness, that engine. Compare to the ND Miata, which got a nice 17% hp boost and a 700 rpm higher redline after 3 years of production.

The fact that no mules or prototypes have been seen indicates that if Toyota is planning a redo it's at least 2-3 years out. But Toyota needs to do something sooner rather than later if it's going to sustain the platform, unless they want it to follow the 370Z into irrelevance. Maybe they don't care, and as A70 says, just want to milk the sunk costs until the well runs completely dry (to mix metaphors).

Canadian sales numbers from GoodcarBadcar (I'm sure the US numbers are in sync):

2012 (June-Dec):
1470

2013:
1825

2014:
1559

2015:
1329

2016:
1097

2017:
907

2018 to date:
449

 

[Spilner]

Maybe by Toyota's standards, but not the industry's. The car is entering its 7th model year with no real changes at all beyond a new (and ugly) front bumper cover and LED lighting. The infotainment was already out of date in 2012, and nothing of any significance has been done to address its biggest weakness, that engine. Compare to the ND Miata, which got a nice 17% hp boost and a 700 rpm higher redline after 3 years of production.

Tada already stated why the engine hasn't been updated, because it will mess up "the flow of the vehicle"

 

[CantEven_Supra]

Tada already stated why the engine hasn't been updated, because it will mess up "the flow of the vehicle"

Luckily for us Tada stated that the Supra will have plenty of "headroom" as far as chassis dynamics and rigidity for more horsepower without disrupting the flow

 

[DevonK]

Tada already stated why the engine hasn't been updated, because it will mess up "the flow of the vehicle"

LOL. Adding 17% more horsepower to the ND didn't mess up that car's "flow of the vehicle", the reviews have been raves.

Even if they didn't want to increase power, they could have fixed the torque dip and worked to make the engine sound less like farm machinery.

Anyways, back OT...

 

[BRX]

Being a Tundra fanboy for most of my adult life, the truck hasn't changed since it's release in 2007. Same engine, same transmission, same rear end, just a mid-cycle refresh in 2014. Following this trend a new truck will be released in 2021 (hopefully). It is still, however, the best truck in the market in terms of power and reliability. But it's so outdated people stopped caring and are persuaded by the gimicks and gadgets on the other trucks and no one can actually blame them.

Regardless, Toyota makes just enough trucks every year and the dealership lots are always empty and used ones hold their value so well. That's how they make them financially successful even though the competition is "better".

Toyota loves milking their products dry, they have been doing it forever and they're really good at it. The 86 won't be any different. My guess is another facelift and retune in 2021 using the same chassis. Toyota won't add much more power (maybe a retune) on this chassis no matter what we ask because that would require R&D on an already built car. You only see 1 or 2 86s at dealerships for a reason. They sell almost all of them that are built.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Toyota lives by this.

 

[Spilner]

how loaded do you expect the MKV interior to be?
like the RCF

like the 718?

or the Demon

 

[boodjohn]

Being a Tundra fanboy for most of my adult life, the truck hasn't changed since it's release in 2007. Same engine, same transmission, same rear end, just a mid-cycle refresh in 2014. Following this trend a new truck will be released in 2021 (hopefully). It is still, however, the best truck in the market in terms of power and reliability. But it's so outdated people stopped caring and are persuaded by the gimicks and gadgets on the other trucks and no one can actually blame them.

Regardless, Toyota makes just enough trucks every year and the dealership lots are always empty and used ones hold their value so well. That's how they make them financially successful even though the competition is "better".

Toyota loves milking their products dry, they have been doing it forever and they're really good at it. The 86 won't be any different. My guess is another facelift and retune in 2021 using the same chassis. Toyota won't add much more power (maybe a retune) on this chassis no matter what we ask because that would require R&D on an already built car. You only see 1 or 2 86s at dealerships for a reason. They sell almost all of them that are built.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Toyota lives by this.

Outdated is such a nice term to use on the tundra.

They make a certain amount (adjusted to market size they hold by referencing previous months, years and trends). But, when you look at it on a comparison amongst other manufacturers' - they are heavily outclassed. Lowest in towing. Lowest in fuel economy, Lowest in payload. Lowest rated power.

Sure, it aint broke. But, there needs to be innovation. For example: not putting in front or rear lockers for their off road trims. NOt enough engine choices. Not even crawl control.
Toyota can sell Thousands of these trucks, but they will never be able to sell hundreds of thousands like the big 3.

Innovation came only because of competition. Fx. Tacoma 75% redesign in 2016 because although they were technically the only mid size truck manufacturer, they HAD to innovate due to the entrance of a complete redesign of Chevy colorado/GMC Sierra.

Now the king of Midsize truck is coming back and toyota tacoma is scared shitless.

 

[SS900]

Maybe by Toyota's standards, but not the industry's. The car is entering its 7th model year with no real changes at all beyond a new (and ugly) front bumper cover and LED lighting. The infotainment was already out of date in 2012, and nothing of any significance has been done to address its biggest weakness, that engine. Compare to the ND Miata, which got a nice 17% hp boost and a 700 rpm higher redline after 3 years of production.

The fact that no mules or prototypes have been seen indicates that if Toyota is planning a redo it's at least 2-3 years out. But Toyota needs to do something sooner rather than later if it's going to sustain the platform, unless they want it to follow the 370Z into irrelevance. Maybe they don't care, and as A70 says, just want to milk the sunk costs until the well runs completely dry (to mix metaphors).

Canadian sales numbers from GoodcarBadcar (I'm sure the US numbers are in sync):

2012 (June-Dec):
1470

2013:
1825

2014:
1559

2015:
1329

2016:
1097

2017:
907

2018 to date:
449

 

[tha7osavage]

how loaded do you expect the MKV interior to be?
like the RCF

like the 718?

or the Demon

None of the above lol. Coolest thing about the interior will probably be the HUD imo. Based on what we’ve seen so far, it’ll prob just be the typical BMW setup. Not that that’s bad by any means, but it just doesn’t yell “Supra” to me.

EDIT: It’ll probably be better than the demons though haha

 

[86Driver]

Thanks @Modal170, some good points.
I’m in the “if the new car is great I’ll probably buy it” camp

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