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[Cptnslo]

I’m waiting for mods and seeing how the trans holds power lol

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[NitroYellowMKV]

I’m waiting for mods and seeing how the trans holds power lol

So based on F80 and G80 manual figures, (g80 is a reinforced version of the f8x box) both have been doing over 650 wheel on stock clutches. Luckily it is a lot easier and cheaper to upgrade clutches then build an auto

 

[Supra_UK_]

For anyone interested, here's the sound of a cold start on a 2023 STOCK 3.0 Manual Supra EU/UK whatever spec.


(I put it on YT because the forum kept saying the file wasn't uploading so I gave up).

98 miles on the clock, driven it twice.

No pops and bangs (yet), I am running it in as per handbook only hitting 4.5k rpm and changing gears frequently without maintaining constant speeds to ensure hopefully it all beds in nicely.

Absolutely glorious sounds around 3.5k - 4k rpm changing gears (I'm not very knowledgeable about engines) but sounds like a blowoff turbo-ish sound, very cool.

Gearbox very notchy but already improved from first drive.

I agree with another dude that wrote here that there's a weird sort of jerk
Changing 1st to 2nd but only if it's at slow speeds it seems, but very short and not a big issue at all for now.

There's definitely a "surge" or whatever they call it "torque by gear" feeling around 3rd gear around 3.5k where it really goes into hyperspace.

 

[FLtrackdays]

For anyone interested, here's the sound of a cold start on a 2023 STOCK 3.0 Manual Supra EU/UK whatever spec.


(I put it on YT because the forum kept saying the file wasn't uploading so I gave up).

98 miles on the clock, driven it twice.

No pops and bangs (yet), I am running it in as per handbook only hitting 4.5k rpm and changing gears frequently without maintaining constant speeds to ensure hopefully it all beds in nicely.

Absolutely glorious sounds around 3.5k - 4k rpm changing gears (I'm not very knowledgeable about engines) but sounds like a blowoff turbo-ish sound, very cool.

Gearbox very notchy but already improved from first drive.

I agree with another dude that wrote here that there's a weird sort of jerk
Changing 1st to 2nd but only if it's at slow speeds it seems, but very short and not a big issue at all for now.

There's definitely a "surge" or whatever they call it "torque by gear" feeling around 3rd gear around 3.5k where it really goes into hyperspace.

Impressive!!!!!! I'd almost consider not even changing it. Deep, good resonance, no pops, totally diggin it

 

[NitroYellowMKV]

Impressive!!!!!! I'd almost consider not even changing it. Deep, good resonance, no pops, totally diggin it

 

[Stvee]

For anyone interested, here's the sound of a cold start on a 2023 STOCK 3.0 Manual Supra EU/UK whatever spec.


(I put it on YT because the forum kept saying the file wasn't uploading so I gave up).

98 miles on the clock, driven it twice.

No pops and bangs (yet), I am running it in as per handbook only hitting 4.5k rpm and changing gears frequently without maintaining constant speeds to ensure hopefully it all beds in nicely.

Absolutely glorious sounds around 3.5k - 4k rpm changing gears (I'm not very knowledgeable about engines) but sounds like a blowoff turbo-ish sound, very cool.

Gearbox very notchy but already improved from first drive.

I agree with another dude that wrote here that there's a weird sort of jerk
Changing 1st to 2nd but only if it's at slow speeds it seems, but very short and not a big issue at all for now.

There's definitely a "surge" or whatever they call it "torque by gear" feeling around 3rd gear around 3.5k where it really goes into hyperspace.

Do you have a picture of the engine bay? I'm curious to see if the non-A91's get the same strut bar, just in different colors.

 

[Supra_UK_]

Do you have a picture of the engine bay? I'm curious to see if the non-A91's get the same strut bar, just in different colors.

Hi - sure let me get back to you on this with some photos next time I go out.
From memory I don't think it has (sadly) but actually made me realize I don't have any pics of my engine bay, and that's a sin.

 

[SupBrother]

Nice, keep us posted on how long it takes to get to you. I’m probably gonna pull the trigger on it here soon.

Just got back home from a business trip. They never sent me a tracking # but it has arrived. Probably install it over the weekend.

 

[Supra_UK_]

Do you have a picture of the engine bay? I'm curious to see if the non-A91's get the same strut bar, just in different colors.

Hi,
Soo... I don't have strut bars at all. Looks the baby EU/UK version 335bhp (not the full fat 380bhp) maybe doesn't get them? Weird :/

 

[Supra_UK_]

Hi all,

Ok so, for anyone looking to get a '23 manual, I just did shy of 300 miles in it so far, and wanted to share my initial thoughts.

DISCLAIMERS: I am not a pro driver or a particularly "good driver" I would consider myself average.

Let's go by topics:

REV MATCH:
First car I ever had that has rev match, very strange to get used to.
What I can definitely confirm is, if you change gears slowly, it doesn't work properly and gets confused, but if you shift fast, the rev match on downshifts is sublime.
However, for some reason, 4th to 3rd gear always seems to struggle to go in with the rev match, no idea why.

Upshifting: going 1st to 2nd sucks, again, might be my fault, but it's just juttery and rough so I'm trying to learn what's the best revs/way to do it smoothe AF.

GEAR LEVER POSITION/SHIFTING
The volume/temperature knob CAN get in the way if you shift fast/have a spirited drive, so definitely annoying. I had to slightly change the position of my hand when going into 5th to reduce chances of smashing my knucke into it, not great.
You can NOT have any type of drink/bittle in the cupholder, as your elbow WILL hit it. It was designed for the AUTO clearly. Cupholder becomes a key holder, period.

The shifter itself is very small, almost too small, and very smoothe, almost slippery.

The changes are very notchy, almost a bit too much for my liking. Good luck getting it in reverse, it's an experience. I am starting to get it but usually takes at least 2-3 attempts. (Ridiculous!)

Overall, it's cool, and I hope this manual will keep resale value more than the auto, but, tbh sometimes I wish I just got the auto (can't believe I'm saying that, maybe I am getting old and lazy).

 

[Loco38SUP]

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[puppers]

Hi all,

Ok so, for anyone looking to get a '23 manual, I just did shy of 300 miles in it so far, and wanted to share my initial thoughts.

DISCLAIMERS: I am not a pro driver or a particularly "good driver" I would consider myself average.

Let's go by topics:

REV MATCH:
First car I ever had that has rev match, very strange to get used to.
What I can definitely confirm is, if you change gears slowly, it doesn't work properly and gets confused, but if you shift fast, the rev match on downshifts is sublime.
However, for some reason, 4th to 3rd gear always seems to struggle to go in with the rev match, no idea why.

Upshifting: going 1st to 2nd sucks, again, might be my fault, but it's just juttery and rough so I'm trying to learn what's the best revs/way to do it smoothe AF.

GEAR LEVER POSITION/SHIFTING
The volume/temperature knob CAN get in the way if you shift fast/have a spirited drive, so definitely annoying. I had to slightly change the position of my hand when going into 5th to reduce chances of smashing my knucke into it, not great.
You can NOT have any type of drink/bittle in the cupholder, as your elbow WILL hit it. It was designed for the AUTO clearly. Cupholder becomes a key holder, period.

The shifter itself is very small, almost too small, and very smoothe, almost slippery.

The changes are very notchy, almost a bit too much for my liking. Good luck getting it in reverse, it's an experience. I am starting to get it but usually takes at least 2-3 attempts. (Ridiculous!)

Overall, it's cool, and I hope this manual will keep resale value more than the auto, but, tbh sometimes I wish I just got the auto (can't believe I'm saying that, maybe I am getting old and lazy).

I'm just shy over 450 miles and this was my impression on it. I typically track my cars, but still breaking this in. As a former 2022 Supra owner, these are my impressions with the manual. It’s excellent.

Steering. The steering for 2023 received updated logic and this somehow translated into being able to feel more feedback from the road to the wheel. The wheel feels a bit more tactile and feels more precise with turning. The 2022 (although also received an update to steering like 2021) still felt a bit wobbly and unsure of what position it wanted to take. The 2023 steering so far feels more confident.

Shifting. It’s beautiful, but not perfect. It’s beautiful because knowing it is essentially a BMW product, the shifter doesn’t say so, but it also doesn’t say it’s Japanese. Shifting truly feels like a blend between a modern BMW and an modern Japanese car equipped with a manual. It has a satisfying notch to each shift, the gates are very clear, the linkage does NOT feel BMW rubbery - it certainly feels like a nice mechanical linkage. It’s not S2000 or Type R good, but it’s not BMW bad lol. The throws are also satisfying. It doesn’t feel like you’re rowing a boat and it doesn't feel like you can shift with the tip of your fingers (short throw). It requires a pull and push effort that feels really good. At the end of the day, it is satisfying.

Clutch. If you’ve driven a BMW, this is going to feel familiar. The clutch pedal travel is LONG, BUT - the engagement is predictable, it’s smooth and consistent. It’s very surprising that Toyota was able to take a BMW setup and not make it feel like a BMW aside from pedal travel. It does not have the weird clutch delay valve feel to it - engagement happens as soon as the pedal passes the point where it grabs. It feels really good.

Ergonomics. Mostly everything is identical to other Supras. The center console changes, buttons were moved, but ultimately still feels natural. The shifter is in a great spot if you don’t keep cups in your cupholder. I cannot see an instance of using the shifter and hitting climate control buttons (even when tracking it) - there is plenty of room between the top gears and the climate control shroud/buttons. Seating position has changed with the manual for me. I’m 6’1 and I have to sit a bit closer to comfortably clutch in and out without overextending my leg. I don’t consider this to be a bad thing - I feel more engaged with the car sitting a bit closer.

Drive/Gearing. I absolutely do not notice any detriment with gearing. With the final drive gearing change from 3.15 in the automatic to the 3.46 in the manual, first gear engagements are not jerky and are not slow. When accelerating from 0mph in first gear, it doesn’t feel like there is any slouch. With the higher final drive, there is a bit more shifting, but I feel it’s a good thing as it’s keeping the MT Supra in a good spot for power.

 

[robotvoice]

Hi all,

Ok so, for anyone looking to get a '23 manual, I just did shy of 300 miles in it so far, and wanted to share my initial thoughts.

DISCLAIMERS: I am not a pro driver or a particularly "good driver" I would consider myself average.

Let's go by topics:

REV MATCH:
First car I ever had that has rev match, very strange to get used to.
What I can definitely confirm is, if you change gears slowly, it doesn't work properly and gets confused, but if you shift fast, the rev match on downshifts is sublime.
However, for some reason, 4th to 3rd gear always seems to struggle to go in with the rev match, no idea why.

Upshifting: going 1st to 2nd sucks, again, might be my fault, but it's just juttery and rough so I'm trying to learn what's the best revs/way to do it smoothe AF.

GEAR LEVER POSITION/SHIFTING
The volume/temperature knob CAN get in the way if you shift fast/have a spirited drive, so definitely annoying. I had to slightly change the position of my hand when going into 5th to reduce chances of smashing my knucke into it, not great.
You can NOT have any type of drink/bittle in the cupholder, as your elbow WILL hit it. It was designed for the AUTO clearly. Cupholder becomes a key holder, period.

The shifter itself is very small, almost too small, and very smoothe, almost slippery.

The changes are very notchy, almost a bit too much for my liking. Good luck getting it in reverse, it's an experience. I am starting to get it but usually takes at least 2-3 attempts. (Ridiculous!)

Overall, it's cool, and I hope this manual will keep resale value more than the auto, but, tbh sometimes I wish I just got the auto (can't believe I'm saying that, maybe I am getting old and lazy).

The auto rev match is pretty decent for what it is but one of my favorite things about driving a manual is doing the rev matching myself so I turned the auto rev match off immediately and don't plan on using it unless maybe I was on some super long road trip but honestly I don't even think I would use it then. It's great to have the option though if you want it.

Getting into reverse was interesting the first few times but once you dial in the amount of force to smack the lever over to the left and up, it becomes second nature and is really no big deal. I'm sure it will get even better feeling with more miles on the car.

It's a little tricky getting a smooth first to second shift but I found if you rev it up a little higher than you normally would in first (if you shift around 3k RPM in first normally try shifting at 3.5k RPM instead), then take your time getting into second, it helps smooth things out. Having driven Subarus for many years, the first to second shift is WAY worse in those than the Supra so just take your time and it will be no big deal.

I did a couple spirited drives recently and didn't have any issues where my hand was hitting the climate controls or any parts of the dash, even when shifting pretty quick. I'm on the smaller side so it's possible someone with larger hands could maybe have an issue. Maybe a shorter throw shifter could help if you wind up being one of those people who does hit their hands on the console when shifting.

I love the pedal position in this car and heel-toe is an absolute breeze compared to some other cars I've had. The whole shifting experience is definitely not s2000 levels of awesome but honestly it's very, very good in a lot of aspects and has already exceeded my expectations and am super happy I took the plunge into this car.

 

[Supra_UK_]

The auto rev match is pretty decent for what it is but one of my favorite things about driving a manual is doing the rev matching myself so I turned the auto rev match off immediately and don't plan on using it unless maybe I was on some super long road trip but honestly I don't even think I would use it then. It's great to have the option though if you want it.

Getting into reverse was interesting the first few times but once you dial in the amount of force to smack the lever over to the left and up, it becomes second nature and is really no big deal. I'm sure it will get even better feeling with more miles on the car.

It's a little tricky getting a smooth first to second shift but I found if you rev it up a little higher than you normally would in first (if you shift around 3k RPM in first normally try shifting at 3.5k RPM instead), then take your time getting into second, it helps smooth things out. Having driven Subarus for many years, the first to second shift is WAY worse in those than the Supra so just take your time and it will be no big deal.

I did a couple spirited drives recently and didn't have any issues where my hand was hitting the climate controls or any parts of the dash, even when shifting pretty quick. I'm on the smaller side so it's possible someone with larger hands could maybe have an issue. Maybe a shorter throw shifter could help if you wind up being one of those people who does hit their hands on the console when shifting.

I love the pedal position in this car and heel-toe is an absolute breeze compared to some other cars I've had. The whole shifting experience is definitely not s2000 levels of awesome but honestly it's very, very good in a lot of aspects and has already exceeded my expectations and am super happy I took the plunge into this car.

Hey @robotvoice thank you so much for sharing! I'm definitely gonna experiment the 1st to 2nd gear method that you suggested.

 

[NitroYellowMKV]

Agree with pretty much everything that has been said above, at about 500 miles with mine, review coming soon.

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