My Manual is here! First customer MT in the world

[Stvee]

I have not done more then move it in the parking spot, but it feels butter, light clutch, very smooth, smoother then my g8x I drove, amazing so far, can't wait to get it out on the road, will be taking it to the dyno asap

Did you end up taking this to the dyno yet?

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[NitroYellowMKV]

Did you end up taking this to the dyno yet?

not yet, Hurricane gave us some delays

 

[BMWAF]

not yet, Hurricane gave us some delays

Did you end up writing a review of the MY23? Not being pushy, just wondering if I might've missed it in the sea of other threads?

 

[AJRMKV]

Did you end up writing a review of the MY23? Not being pushy, just wondering if I might've missed it in the sea of other threads?

 

[puppers]

Did you end up writing a review of the MY23? Not being pushy, just wondering if I might've missed it in the sea of other threads?

I wrote out my thoughts and feelings about it on a notepad to share with a friend. I can share it here also haha.

So as a former 2022 Supra owner, these are my impressions with the manual. It’s a really enjoyable package, more than my 2022.

Steering. The steering for 2023 received updated logic and this somehow translated into being able to feel more feedback from the road to the wheel. The wheel feels a bit more tactile and feels more precise with turning. The 2022 (although also received an update to steering like 2021) still felt a bit wobbly and unsure of what position it wanted to take. The 2023 steering so far feels more confident.

Shifting. It’s beautiful, but not perfect. It’s beautiful because knowing it is essentially a BMW product, the shifter doesn’t say so, but it also doesn’t say it’s Japanese. Shifting truly feels like a blend between a modern BMW and an older Japanese car. It has a satisfying notch to each shift, the gates are very clear, the linkage feels mechanical and not typical of the BMW rubbery feel. It’s not S2000 or Type R good, but it’s not BMW bad lol. The throws are also satisfying. It doesn’t feel like you’re rowing a boat and doesn’t feel too short. It requires a pull and push effort that feels really nice. At the end of the day, it is satisfying.

Clutch. If you’ve driven a BMW, this is going to feel familiar. The clutch pedal travel is LONG, BUT - the engagement is predictable, it’s smooth and consistent. It’s very surprising that Toyota was able to take a BMW setup and not make it feel like a BMW aside from pedal travel. It does not have the weird clutch delay valve feel to it (Not sure if it doesn’t have a CDV or not) - engagement happens as soon as the pedal passes the point where it grabs. It feels really good, predictable, consistent and manageable.

Ergonomics. Mostly everything is identical to other Supras. The center console changes, buttons were moved, but ultimately still feels natural. The shifter is in a great spot if you don’t keep cups in your cupholder. I cannot see an instance of using the shifter and hitting climate control buttons as a few early press reviews mentioned - there is plenty of room between the top gears and the climate control shroud/buttons. Seating position has changed with the manual for me. I’m 6’1 and I have to sit a bit closer to comfortably clutch in and out without overextending my leg. I don’t consider this to be a bad thing - I feel more engaged with the car sitting a bit closer.

Drive/Gearing. I absolutely do not notice any detriment. With the final drive gearing change from 3.15 in the automatic to the 3.46 in the manual, first gear engagements are not jerky and is not slow to accelerate from a stop. When accelerating from 0mph in first gear, it doesn’t feel like there is any slouch. With the higher final drive, there is a bit more shifting, but I feel it’s a good thing as it’s keeping the Supra in a good spot for power.

Overall, I’d choose the manual again over the automatic. This statement isn’t to incite an argument over which is better, it’s just what is more enjoyable for me and what aligns more with the reason why I considered a Supra to begin with. I don’t have a desire to make this car faster, it’s plenty fast for me. My Tesla is my go fast car, so this is my have a bit more fun in car and enjoy the stick.

 

[robotvoice]

Shifting. It’s beautiful, but not perfect. It’s beautiful because knowing it is essentially a BMW product, the shifter doesn’t say so, but it also doesn’t say it’s Japanese. Shifting truly feels like a blend between a modern BMW and an older Japanese car. It has a satisfying notch to each shift, the gates are very clear, the linkage feels mechanical and not typical of the BMW rubbery feel. It’s not S2000 or Type R good, but it’s not BMW bad lol. The throws are also satisfying. It doesn’t feel like you’re rowing a boat and doesn’t feel too short. It requires a pull and push effort that feels really nice. At the end of the day, it is satisfying.

1000% agreed on this

 

[tub54500]

1000% agreed on this

I also feel like it’s harder to misshift and grind the gear. I think that rubbery notching feeling helps? With my type r, I sometimes misshift and it’s painful to hear lol

 

[puppers]

I also feel like it’s harder to misshift and grind the gear. I think that rubbery notching feeling helps? With my type r, I sometimes misshift and it’s painful to hear lol

My general experience with Honda (and also a previous Type R owner) was the clutch. I had my clutch position adjusted at the dealer which helped immensely. Once my clutch was adjusted, I feel there was more separation of the pressure plate from the clutch disc lol.

But to your point, yeah! I feel like it's harder to misshift. Not sure what it is, but the clutch pedal travel is hella far in the Supra, maybe that helps LOL.

 

[ptshotsun]

Steering. The steering for 2023 received updated logic and this somehow translated into being able to feel more feedback from the road to the wheel. The wheel feels a bit more tactile and feels more precise with turning. The 2022 (although also received an update to steering like 2021) still felt a bit wobbly and unsure of what position it wanted to take. The 2023 steering so far feels more confident.


How would you describe the weight of the steering? Medium, light, heavy? Does it change drastically in sport mode?

Thanks

 

[puppers]

The steering I'd say is Medium. It doesn't feel artificial either. Some vehicles give you an artificial feel in the wheel when you change modes (either really feathery light or oddly heavy), but I don't get that in the Supra.

 

[tub54500]

My general experience with Honda (and also a previous Type R owner) was the clutch. I had my clutch position adjusted at the dealer which helped immensely. Once my clutch was adjusted, I feel there was more separation of the pressure plate from the clutch disc lol.

But to your point, yeah! I feel like it's harder to misshift. Not sure what it is, but the clutch pedal travel is hella far in the Supra, maybe that helps LOL.

actually yeah you’re right ! The clutch engagement is better in the Supra even though the travel is farther! Good point

 

[BMWAF]

I wrote out my thoughts and feelings about it on a notepad to share with a friend. I can share it here also haha.

So as a former 2022 Supra owner, these are my impressions with the manual. It’s a really enjoyable package, more than my 2022.

Steering. The steering for 2023 received updated logic and this somehow translated into being able to feel more feedback from the road to the wheel. The wheel feels a bit more tactile and feels more precise with turning. The 2022 (although also received an update to steering like 2021) still felt a bit wobbly and unsure of what position it wanted to take. The 2023 steering so far feels more confident.

Shifting. It’s beautiful, but not perfect. It’s beautiful because knowing it is essentially a BMW product, the shifter doesn’t say so, but it also doesn’t say it’s Japanese. Shifting truly feels like a blend between a modern BMW and an older Japanese car. It has a satisfying notch to each shift, the gates are very clear, the linkage feels mechanical and not typical of the BMW rubbery feel. It’s not S2000 or Type R good, but it’s not BMW bad lol. The throws are also satisfying. It doesn’t feel like you’re rowing a boat and doesn’t feel too short. It requires a pull and push effort that feels really nice. At the end of the day, it is satisfying.

Clutch. If you’ve driven a BMW, this is going to feel familiar. The clutch pedal travel is LONG, BUT - the engagement is predictable, it’s smooth and consistent. It’s very surprising that Toyota was able to take a BMW setup and not make it feel like a BMW aside from pedal travel. It does not have the weird clutch delay valve feel to it (Not sure if it doesn’t have a CDV or not) - engagement happens as soon as the pedal passes the point where it grabs. It feels really good, predictable, consistent and manageable.

Ergonomics. Mostly everything is identical to other Supras. The center console changes, buttons were moved, but ultimately still feels natural. The shifter is in a great spot if you don’t keep cups in your cupholder. I cannot see an instance of using the shifter and hitting climate control buttons as a few early press reviews mentioned - there is plenty of room between the top gears and the climate control shroud/buttons. Seating position has changed with the manual for me. I’m 6’1 and I have to sit a bit closer to comfortably clutch in and out without overextending my leg. I don’t consider this to be a bad thing - I feel more engaged with the car sitting a bit closer.

Drive/Gearing. I absolutely do not notice any detriment. With the final drive gearing change from 3.15 in the automatic to the 3.46 in the manual, first gear engagements are not jerky and is not slow to accelerate from a stop. When accelerating from 0mph in first gear, it doesn’t feel like there is any slouch. With the higher final drive, there is a bit more shifting, but I feel it’s a good thing as it’s keeping the Supra in a good spot for power.

Overall, I’d choose the manual again over the automatic. This statement isn’t to incite an argument over which is better, it’s just what is more enjoyable for me and what aligns more with the reason why I considered a Supra to begin with. I don’t have a desire to make this car faster, it’s plenty fast for me. My Tesla is my go fast car, so this is my have a bit more fun in car and enjoy the stick.

Thank-you Sir.

 

[FuzzyRev]

Just reviving this thread to say that my shift knob popped off as well, during an enthusiastic test drive by my father on Thanksgiving.

I brought it to the dealer and had the Field Technical Specialist inspect and log it as an open 'problem case' with Toyota. He also commented on the positively asinine design of a press-fit knob on a sports car of all things; like, what was so wrong with the threaded design used for literally the last 100 years?!

 

[swrdply400mrelay]

Not sure if I missed it, but can you confirm there is "no lift shift" for the manuals? Thanks!

 

[FuzzyRev]

Not sure if I missed it, but can you confirm there is "no lift shift" for the manuals? Thanks!

There is not any no-lift-shift programming

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