New rumors from C&D: 2020 Supra to get BMW inline six engine / B58 & S58 chat

If the new Supra does indeed come with a BMW motor, woud you still buy the car?


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Not to mention it just makes sense given BMW's expertise with straight six engines which it seems every indication out there is the MKV will get. They showcased an engine cover for an inline 6 on the concept after all.
If it really gets the BMW inline 6 it would probably be the all new B58 engine which will replace the N55 which has been used for years now.

The switchover is supposed to happen this Summer --- http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1081449




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If you read MT's article carefully, they never actually confirm that FT-1 would use BMW's I6. All they really said was that past Supras were I6, and Toyota doesn't make I6's anymore, but Toyota's partner BMW does.

However, it does kinda make sense. Why else would Toyota pick BMW over any other automaker?
 

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My original thinking was it would be to develop a platform that would be heavy on the carbon fiber usage. BMW makes a lot of sense for that too. I just figured with the Supra's old engine being so lauded Toyota would want to keep that tradition.
 

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If you read MT's article carefully, they never actually confirm that FT-1 would use BMW's I6. All they really said was that past Supras were I6, and Toyota doesn't make I6's anymore, but Toyota's partner BMW does.

However, it does kinda make sense. Why else would Toyota pick BMW over any other automaker?
Actually it is the other way round. BMW picked Toyota for hybrid and fuel cell tech. Toyota agreed, becasue BMW could offer large scale Cf manufacturing, and sharing a specific platform with another company lowers costs. Also, without Toyota BMW would not build any Z4 successor, as without the shared costs it wouldnot be competitive.

Well, Toyota already uses BMW diesel engines in their European Toyota models, simply to reduce costs on diesel engine and focus only on gazoline engines.
 

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Well, Toyota already uses BMW diesel engines in their European Toyota models, simply to reduce costs on diesel engine and focus only on gazoline engines.
But to simply drop in a BMW engine in the return of their halo sports car would be a total cop out. A car like the Supra is supposed to represent the best that Toyota engineers can accomplish and if they can't even engineer a proper engine for use in this car then that's not saying much for the company or brand.

Can you tell I'm against having anything but a Toyota engine in the MKV? :D
 

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IMO using BMW's motor wouldn't be the biggest issue. its really the wiring and electrical that you have to watch out for.
 

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IMO using BMW's motor wouldn't be the biggest issue. its really the wiring and electrical that you have to watch out for.
You wouldn't be the least bit reluctant to lift your new Supra's hood and explain to people that it's a BMW engine they're looking at?
 

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But to simply drop in a BMW engine in the return of their halo sports car would be a total cop out. A car like the Supra is supposed to represent the best that Toyota engineers can accomplish and if they can't even engineer a proper engine for use in this car then that's not saying much for the company or brand.

Can you tell I'm against having anything but a Toyota engine in the MKV? :D
My question is, if it uses a BMW engine and they are co developing a platform together that leverages a lot of the platform learnings from BMW..... what is TOYOTA doing? They are investing billions into this project no? I can't imagine them just dropping the engine in, designing around a BMW chassis and calling it a day.
 

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We really need more insight on whether Toyota will use their own motor or borrow BMW's.

If it's BMW - obviously I6TT
If it's Toyota - V6 TT, V8, possibly I6TT

We know the outside body will be different, what about the Heart Toyota?
 

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Production is probably key to the answer. Both cars built on the same chassis, they could be produced at the same plant/production line, assuming it will be in Germany. But for this they would need to share all electrical components, which I think is not possible as Toyota will not want to use BMW electrical components. Another thing is also that all other parts needed for Toyota will have to come from local suppliers (i.e. Europe).

I am certain that the cooperation bases on the engineering of the platform and the manufacturing of it. If the new CF chassis will be built at the ex-LFA plant which is specialized in CF, there is a high probability the new CF chassis developed in cooperation with BMW will be built at that plant in Japan, so components will come local suppliers, and that means also the Toyota engine.

Now it is possible that both BMW and Toyota will build in the U.S., and each company could uses its components, but Toyota BMW's engine. But then again, the Toyota is to be a halo car, and would use an engine making at least 400 PS, which would be the S55, and that engine is produced in Germany, in which case Toyota cannot modify anything. As for the new B58, I highly doubt BMW would "give" it to Toyota, as BMW will not have any M car using that engine (S58 based on B58) until next generation X3 M at least.

Notice that the diesel BMW engine Toyota uses in their cars, are only for the European market, with cars produced only in Europe.

Analysing Toyota plants around the world and future expanssion, I do not see where else the 3(4) sports car line-up - "MR2", "Celica", "Supra" (rumors of next 6 Series being more of a sports car a.k.a 911 rival and built on CF chassis could also mean Lexus LC/SC would use that platform) can be produced other than at the LFA plant, specialised in CF manufacturing, and in that case, the Toyota FT-1 can only have a Toyota engine.
 

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You wouldn't be the least bit reluctant to lift your new Supra's hood and explain to people that it's a BMW engine they're looking at?
TBH, it doesnt really brother me that much. if the finish product looks good like the concept, and come around GT6's specs than im a happy camper.
 

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Agreed. Do people really buy their cars based on who developed the engine? Well a few might but I can't see many doing that. It's not like the engine will have a BMW logo on it.
 

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Agreed. Do people really buy their cars based on who developed the engine? Well a few might but I can't see many doing that. It's not like the engine will have a BMW logo on it.
x2, same with the 86. even tho it has a Subaru motor people are still buying tons of those.
 

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