Featured New rumors from C&D: 2020 Supra to get BMW inline six engine / B58 & S58 chat

Discussion in 'B58 6-Cyl Engine, Exhaust, Drivetrain, Bolt-Ons' started by celerity, Jan 17, 2015.

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If the new Supra does indeed come with a BMW motor, woud you still buy the car?

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  2. No I will NOT

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  1. celerity

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    http://blog.caranddriver.com/der-supra-east-meets-west-in-the-toyotabmw-sports-car-partnership/

     
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    I watched this video a long time ago. I was talking with someone else on another forum about FT-1. BMW somehow was brought up and I tried to find the video where Kevin Hunter mention BMW's straight six in the behind the scenes design video. I tried really hard to find it and couldn't. Than I figure maybe I would Google it and something would come up, and it did. I finally found the article that corresponds with the video. I mean why would they edited this part out of the video? Was it because they finally realized KH was saying too much? But than why did they not edited the article as well. Did they just forget? I recall the original video being closer to 15 mins. It is currently at 14:19. Is this really a clue that FT-1 will use BMW's I6, or am I just reading too much into this?

    http://www.autonews.com/article/20140113/OEM04/140119925/toyota-concept-hints-at-new-supra

     
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    I think you're reading too much into it but probably right also ;)

    Why edit the video and not the article? i'm thinking b/c the article is AutoNew's property and they can write whatever they want and have seen/heard. The video is Toyota material and they can tell them to yank whatever they want.

    Then again, I like conspiracy theories :)
     
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    I love conspiracy theories as well. Below are some of my favorites.

    911 was an inside job.
    Titanic was sunk on purpose for insurance money.
    We didn't really land on the moon.
    Lee Harvey Oswald didn't really shot JFK, and or there was a second shooter.
     
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    Have you watched the last iteration of X-men movie? Obviously Magneto went to jail because he was accused for assassinating JFK. I love your conspiracy theory, but you don't know better like guys who do comics book and movie.
     
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    It makes sense. Why else would they re-edited the video?
     
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    not to mention that MT has pretty much been spot on when it comes to FT1, and they are saying it will use BMW's I6.

    FT1.jpg FT2.jpg
     
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    Hopefully, just the block.
     
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    Yes, hopefully just the block, and everything else (pistons, rods, crankshaft, cylinder head, turbo, oil pan - dry sump -, etc...) will be designed and engineered by Toyota. Not to forget the transaxle gearbox.
     
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    than why not just reuse the 2JZ block?

    they may just get lazy and drop in the S55 and call it a day.
     
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    I would imagine, they are going to do something "Toyota" like they added D4S system in Subaru FA20. Hope this time, it's more significant. Dropping S55 in is like putting a timed bomb that's going to go off any second. *pun intended*
     
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    Which Toyota had dry sump?
    I can see them putting in a wet sump, but I doubt it if they can put in a dry sump for the price point. Even the new GT3's axed the dry sumps for economical reason.

     
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    Not to mention it just makes sense given BMW's expertise with straight six engines which it seems every indication out there is the MKV will get. They showcased an engine cover for an inline 6 on the concept after all.
     
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    No, even normal Porsche 911 has dry sump. How come Covette Z06 has that at such price? Or the new AMG GT? LFA has dry sump. Dry sump is not the most expensive part of the engine.
     
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    I stand corrected. I had read a report that it was dropped in 2014! And a quick visit to the Porsche web site indicates they retained the dry sump.

    Anyways, my question still stands. Has Toyota ever produced a production engine with a dry sump (I'm not a Toyota know it all, just asking)?

    Go to the "disadvantages" of dry sump (in the link below) to read about the cost and complexity:
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_sump
     

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