Supra Nurburgring Time?

[FLtrackdays]

This has been driving me insane for two years now! During other track (road course) tests, the 2021 kind of beat the piss out of the 2020, but several of the biggest publications haven't bothered to re-test the updated cars for their leaderboards, nor has Toyota felt like publishing 'ring times, even though they've been there with every version of the car. Based on some other tests, the 23 MT might even be a bit faster than the 23 AT on certain courses, simply due to gearing, but until more people feel like putting the work in, we'll never know.

I love all comparisons, cars, drivers, upgrades, esp on track w/ good rubber, so friggin cool ?

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[Syeeee]

I guess what I'm saying is that I expected the Supra to be in a higher league to the Type R, but it sure doesn't seem like it's.

Always was, always is.

 

[MA617M]

There's some old posts about this somwhere here.... but from memory the Supra time was a SportAuto or magazine time, not a manufacturer lap?

It wasn't apples/apples for some reason...

 

[Kolme]

There's some old posts about this somwhere here.... but from memory the Supra time was a SportAuto or magazine time, not a manufacturer lap?

It wasn't apples/apples for some reason...

Yeah SportAuto. Not Toyota themselves, that’s important. Here’s a nice snippet from a road and track article about the run:

I think 7:40 is a completely reasonable number now. Though for those tuned to 500hp with light handling mods…

 

[MA617M]

A lot of manufacturer quoted times are on private days, and also stitched together "best sectors"

Reading more and more into it, it really has quite the number of variables sadly!

 

[kappa_md]

It might depend also on the track but the 2023 GR Supra Manual is 3 seconds quicker than the FL5 in VIR Lightning Lap. It should be, power to weight ratio is better, assuming both quite handle well in the track.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a42387169/lightning-lap-2023/

probably the Supra should revisit the “Green Hell” once more

 

[kappa_md]

In Hagerty’s latest video, 2022 GR Supra is a hair quicker than the FL5 @ Streets of Willow Springs

 

[johnnyskids]

It might depend also on the track but the 2023 GR Supra Manual is 3 seconds quicker than the FL5 in VIR Lightning Lap. It should be, power to weight ratio is better, assuming both quite handle well in the track.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a42387169/lightning-lap-2023/

probably the Supra should revisit the “Green Hell” once more

I was going to mention this, the reason I prefer the lightning lap from car and driver over the ring lap times or other track records is they test all the cars on the same day every year, same driver for each, using tires that come from factory or that are optional packages. Sure you can’t compare 100% year to year, but this year they had the new CTR and the manual Supra, so it’s a much better comparison. That being said, that CTR is an amazing vehicle and there are likely tracks where it is indeed faster than a Supra. What would be nice is having both with the same tires, driving on the same track, on the same day, by the same driver. Then you could really see where the two stack up.

What I hate about these Ring records is the driver, day, conditions, and tires are always different and it’s a lot harder to get a true picture of how each car stacks up.

 

[BMWAF]

Yeah SportAuto. Not Toyota themselves, that’s important. Here’s a nice snippet from a road and track article about the run:

I think 7:40 is a completely reasonable number now. Though for those tuned to 500hp with light handling mods…

Yeah but we can apply that little "if" to every car ever made.

 

[Kolme]

Yeah but we can apply that little "if" to every car ever made.

Err but in this case the “if” came true. The 2021 saw a 52HP bump.

 

[BMWAF]

Err but in this case the “if” came true. The 2021 saw a 52HP bump.

Nice try.. but it was not the "if" that was quoted. lol.

What I am saying is that if we add "what if's" to already variable rich metrics, we just end up with even muddier waters. Ideally, these tests should be bone stock - including tires; same track conditions and with the same (or at least comparable) drivers.

 

[Kolme]

Nice try.. but it was not the "if" that was quoted. lol.

What I am saying is that if we add "what if's" to already variable rich metrics, we just end up with even muddier waters. Ideally, these tests should be bone stock - including tires; same track conditions and with the same (or at least comparable) drivers.

Sigh. The cars saw a HP bump - that’s not an “if”. Secondly, the end of my post said “Though for those tuned to 500hp with light handling mods…” which was a reference back to the part of the article mentioning the 500hp s58.

Why are we getting into semantics here lol?

 

[BMWAF]

Sigh. The cars saw a HP bump - that’s not an “if”. Secondly, the end of my post said “Though for those tuned to 500hp with light handling mods…” which was a reference back to the part of the article mentioning the 500hp s58.

Why are we getting into semantics here lol?

Because for all intents and purposes with opinions, conjecture and "what if's" taken out of the equation, it does appear that around a track, STOCK Type Rs are generally faster than STOCK Supras.

And don't forget that most of the Type R times that better the Supra are not the new FL5 but the previous generation!

I'm not thrilled about it, but.. facts. ?

 

[Syeeee]

put in the 21+ and problem solved

 

[Kolme]

Because for all intents and purposes with opinions, conjecture and "what if's" taken out of the equation, it does appear that around a track, STOCK Type Rs are generally faster than STOCK Supras.

And don't forget that most of the Type R times that better the Supra are not the new FL5 but the previous generation!

I'm not thrilled about it, but.. facts. ?

I’m so lost. Why are we back on Type Rs again, lol?
But since we brought it up. Here’s the comparable FL5 Type R vs the 21+ Supra (circled tracks). Also attaching a screenshot of the old vs new Type R.

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