The 2021 News Really Bums Me Out / Buyer's Remorse

[A70TTR]

No, the Z4 dynos at ~380whp and the Supras do ~335whp. I think the confusion about this goes back to thinking the Supra was the only car that is underrated, but that's not true. It's a BMW thing in general afaik.

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[alan7467]

No, the Z4 dynos at ~380whp and the Supras do ~335whp. I think the confusion about this goes back to thinking the Supra was the only car that is underrated, but that's not true. It's a BMW thing in general afaik.

Interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Gaz_smithy]

This new engine means nothing to Europe.
https://www.motor1.com/news/398706/toyota-supra-no-upgrade-europe/

 

[2k20HTownMKV]

The problem with that scenario is the $6,000 I have thrown at the car for PPF, ceramic coating, tinted windows, etc. Never going to recoup that. Then to do it all over again for just 1 model year newer car? Oh hell no. The more I think about this the more pissed I am.

You will never recoup the price of PPF/Ceramic/Tint ever on any car that you resell. Remember you as a consumer made the decision to buy and then add PPF, Ceramic and Tint. You should also know that those things are a consumable and aren't really meant to be of actually added value to the car. Just like a house, the difference between having a pool or not won't raise the value of your home dramatically. You get it because that's what you wanted at the time and you felt you would make the most out of it.

 

[Nc1dent]

Don't the Z4 and Supra already dyno with very similar results? If that's the case can we be certain that this power bump will actually be realized in the real world?

https://g29.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1657836

Yes, we are sure. 2021 Supras will make around 380whp stock.

Cool for us. lol.

 

[Kaizen]

I don’t want to come off as a dick in saying this, but it seems like it needs to be heard. If you constantly measure your happiness and worth by what you have vs what others have, your never going to be happy. So much of what is wrong now is everybody feels they have to have the best and everything else is complete shit. That isn’t true...

This right here, this is winning.

 

[whostorm05]

You will never recoup the price of PPF/Ceramic/Tint ever on any car that you resell. Remember you as a consumer made the decision to buy and then add PPF, Ceramic and Tint. You should also know that those things are a consumable and aren't really meant to be of actually added value to the car. Just like a house, the difference between having a pool or not won't raise the value of your home dramatically. You get it because that's what you wanted at the time and you felt you would make the most out of it.

You must have missed where I said "Never going to recoup that.". I was fully aware of that. HOWEVER, I did not expect nor should I have expected such radical, substantial changes in the car after only one model year. This is a complete dick slap move by Toyota simply "because they can". Name another model car and the consecutive years in production where a car went through such changes and there wasn't a major redesign in the car such as a new generation of the same vehicle. Bonus points if the first model year was a brand new generation of the model.

 

[a90moe]

No, the Z4 dynos at ~380whp and the Supras do ~335whp. I think the confusion about this goes back to thinking the Supra was the only car that is underrated, but that's not true. It's a BMW thing in general afaik.

What about tuned?

 

[tadda]

Thought this might be of interest...Here's a baseline comparison of the new Z4 vs A90 Supra. All runs are on CA 91 octane, measured at the wheels on a dynojet. This was posted on Z4forum...

If you primarily use your 2020 Supra as a daily driver your really not going to be missing out on much and also appears as if the 2020 will be a bit more responsive...

 

[Supraboi7]

The only thing i could see being bittersweet is the smaller 6.5” screen being discontinued, as all new Supras will have the larger screen. So if you own a 2020 base that’s a bummer

 

[Nc1dent]

I don’t want to come off as a dick in saying this, but it seems like it needs to be heard. If you constantly measure your happiness and worth by what you have vs what others have, your never going to be happy. So much of what is wrong now is everybody feels they have to have the best and everything else is complete shit. That isn’t true.

While I appreciate the idea, it has nothing to do with my post. My position isn't that I'm mad because I don't have the best car, or the best Supra. Of course better versions are coming. It has nothing at ALL to do with what other's have or any sense of jealousy.

The core of my point is the FEELING of a bad deal and the REALITY of a bad deal.

The feeling comes from knowing that if I'd waited 7 months, my car would be objectively better for the same cost. Early adopters now have the least powerful 3.0 Supra for the same price that others will get the better one for.

The reality comes from the inevitable accelerated depreciation.

None of my feelings involve jealousy or a desire of the best. Those ideas aren't relevant to my post. The feeling is as if I got shafted in a transaction. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[alan7467]

While I appreciate the idea, it has nothing to do with my post. My position isn't that I'm mad because I don't have the best car, or the best Supra. Of course better versions are coming. It has nothing at ALL to do with what other's have or any sense of jealousy.

The core of my point is the FEELING of a bad deal and the REALITY of a bad deal.

The feeling comes from knowing that if I'd waited 7 months, my car would be objectively better for the same cost. Early adopters now have the least powerful 3.0 Supra for the same price that others will get the better one for.

The reality comes from the inevitable accelerated depreciation.

None of my feelings involve jealousy or a desire of the best. Those ideas aren't relevant to my post. The feeling is as if I got shafted in a transaction. Nothing more, nothing less.

Do we know for sure that the 2021 3.0 will be the same price? It might help reduce the sting if the new one is more expensive.

 

[Reppunkamui]

The core of my point is the FEELING of a bad deal and the REALITY of a bad deal.

That feeling is unwarranted though as no one knows the price. Most (including myself) expect a significant increase. You seem to be one of few who expects the price to remain the same.

 

[Supra Guy]

Do we know for sure that the 2021 3.0 will be the same price? It might help reduce the sting if the new one is more expensive.

That’s the way I look at it. More power and upgrades should cost more. If it doesn’t then I can see why those that paid sticker or over on a MY20 are pissed.

 

[alan7467]

That’s the way I look at it. More power and upgrades should cost more. If it doesn’t then I can see why those that paid sticker or over on a MY20 are pissed.

Yeah, and I suppose regardless of the price of the 2021 yesterday's news will equate to price drops for the 2020's. So I'd be a bit upset if I paid MSRP or over.

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