The "Unofficial" Pricing U.S. 2020 Supra models!

[mas921]

The two I'm aware of are fairly simple but they're developing more. This is the debut car for GR and they're not going to let that slip past.

The other two are chassis related.

Also, several tuning shops are working on parts and rumor has it that TOM's has their own car already (for parts development I'm guessing).

This car is going to have incredible support.

Chassis as in trd/grmn coilovers/braces or rather something cosmetic, say a "modellista" body kit?

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[A70TTR]

Along those lines, yep.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

^ How about engine mods?

Is it going to be like a TRD/GRMN tune to the ECU? How about something like TRD/GRMN air filter or intake mods?

I know this sounds like I am going on a dumb tangent, but weren't the "Turbo" Supras a twin-turbocharged setup? Do you think that's possible or is that "la la land" thinking?

 

[boodjohn]

I think there's a couple of issues you're missing here. If they did, insurance would be higher. Initial cost of the car would also be higher. Those cars that you mention from Chevy/Ford/Dodge have had years of production, allowing those companies to improve and make these top of the line cars. I don't know for sure, but I don't think those are their money makers. They make money from the lower base cars. So for Toyota to bring out a Chevy/Ford/Dodge killer, the car would be so overpriced that no one would be able to purchase it, thus discontinuing the car. Give it time. All good things come to those who wait.

So, toyota over priced their car? Here is the spread. Look.

Merc AMG C43 362 bhp 3,725 lbs $55,900
Merc AMG C63 469 bhp 4,074 lbs $67,500
BMW M4 425 bhp 3,620 lbs $69,150
BMW M2 370 bhp
BMW M2 comp 405 bhp 3,600 lbs $58,900
Alpha Romeo 4c 237 hp 2,465 lbs $66,900
Porsche 718 Cay 300 bhp 3, 0XXlbs $56,900
Porsche 718 S 350 bhp 2,988lbs $69,300
Honda CTR 306 bhp 3,117 lbs $35,700
Nissan 370z 332 bhp 3,232 lbs $29,990
Nissan GTR 565 bhp 3,836 lbs $99,990
Lexus RCF 467 bhp 4,037 lbs $73,875
Mustang GT - 435 bhp or 460 bhp 3,532 lbs to 3,825 lbs $39,355
Mustang GTE - 415 bhp/444 bhp
Mustang GT350 - 526 bhp 3,761 lbs $67,137
Dodge Scat pack - 485 hp 4,323 lbs $39,995
Dodge Hellcat - 707 hp 4,500 lbs $60,350
Chevy Camaro LT1 - 455 bhp 3,685 lbs $61,500
Chevy Camaro LT4 - 650 bhp 3,760 lbs $71,295

The other brands have been making model after model for years which cuts costs and R&D significantly. As such they also sell far more which also contributes to lowering costs (economy of scale).

And that's just a few aspects of the equation; there is plenty more to factor in.

So, if we bumped the price of the Supra another $20k+ then sure it makes sense lol. Which is likely what the GRMN will be lol.

To help cut cost and R&D was the primary reason why there was a collaboration in the first place. Why are they pricing themselves out of the competition?

The car is "Co-developed". Meaning both companies made contributions. When two companies make contributions, this reduces costs as well. You want an overpriced Supra that you can't afford? Can you understand that?

No, Toyota is walking the to bank laughing.
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From a spec point of view, Toyota is competing against the Nissan 370z.
From a price point of view (at 55k-60k), they are competing against the C43, BMW M2, 718 Cayman, and more.

Im sorry. What are you thinking, toyota? You basically are releasing another over priced, trash bin put together 370z.
Calling it a Resurrection of a legend is blasphemy.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

^^ If you're blasting the Supra that much, maybe you should focus on Porsche with their Cayman and 911, or Ford with their Mustang GT and Chevy with their Camaro SS and base Corvette, how about BMW with their M4?

This car clearly fights the cars I mentioned above. The Z is lacking a lot of torque, literally ONE HUNDRED LB-FT OF TORQUE less than the Supra claim is making in terms of torque. Along with the low range availability in torque and horsepower and with the more liveliness of the inline-six and that fascinating 8-Speed ZF auto, the Supra will leave the Z and laugh itself away towards the finish line faster than the Z would. Don't forget. It will also be lighter by like 100 lbs.

 

[MA617M]

You think guys that buy Demons and Shelby's use the word BESPOKE? Come on man. The HEART of any great car is the engine.

I think guys that buy demons and Shelby's don't even possess opposable thumbs

Toyota has already said this car is not aiming to compete in the muscle car market.

It's a scalpel not a straight line hammer

 

[Jabba]

Only one thing I am missing. FORD/DODGE/CHEVY all made their own cars. This is a BMW that now Toyota needs to mod. See the difference?

Just when I think a viable convo can be had, the perfect rebuttal everytime...

Seriously, if you don't understand the advantages those companies have over making an entire new platform opposed to updating an existing one, in today's economy, there's nothing to talk about.

I don't think anyone is ignoring the BMW parts, but you guys FOCUS on it and ask redundant questions. You only make yourselves seem stupid with every comment.

So plz, tell me more about how the car sucks .

 

[Supra21]

So, toyota over priced their car? Here is the spread. Look.

Merc AMG C43 362 bhp 3,725 lbs $55,900
Merc AMG C63 469 bhp 4,074 lbs $67,500
BMW M4 425 bhp 3,620 lbs $69,150
BMW M2 370 bhp
BMW M2 comp 405 bhp 3,600 lbs $58,900
Alpha Romeo 4c 237 hp 2,465 lbs $66,900
Porsche 718 Cay 300 bhp 3, 0XXlbs $56,900
Porsche 718 S 350 bhp 2,988lbs $69,300
Honda CTR 306 bhp 3,117 lbs $35,700
Nissan 370z 332 bhp 3,232 lbs $29,990
Nissan GTR 565 bhp 3,836 lbs $99,990
Lexus RCF 467 bhp 4,037 lbs $73,875
Mustang GT - 435 bhp or 460 bhp 3,532 lbs to 3,825 lbs $39,355
Mustang GTE - 415 bhp/444 bhp
Mustang GT350 - 526 bhp 3,761 lbs $67,137
Dodge Scat pack - 485 hp 4,323 lbs $39,995
Dodge Hellcat - 707 hp 4,500 lbs $60,350
Chevy Camaro LT1 - 455 bhp 3,685 lbs $61,500
Chevy Camaro LT4 - 650 bhp 3,760 lbs $71,295




To help cut cost and R&D was the primary reason why there was a collaboration in the first place. Why are they pricing themselves out of the competition?



No, Toyota is walking the to bank laughing.
________________________________________________________

From a spec point of view, Toyota is competing against the Nissan 370z.
From a price point of view (at 55k-60k), they are competing against the C43, BMW M2, 718 Cayman, and more.

Im sorry. What are you thinking, toyota? You basically are releasing another over priced, trash bin put together 370z.
Calling it a Resurrection of a legend is blasphemy.

Clearly the big picture is being missed here

 

[mas921]

370z? Love those, drifted one just last week at a local event.

But ....That has 100lbft LESS torque, like half the rigidty, higher COG, worse weight distribution, narrower tracks front and rear, heavier unsprung weight, VLSD vs an eDiff.......and the list goes on of superior and hard engineering traits that took millions of $s, millions of hours of analysis on national supercomputers by hundreds of German and Japanese engineers to make a Porsche hunter.

Everybody and their dogs would be making cars if HP and curbweight were what all that mattered.

From the MSRP, evidently working with BMW was a very wise choice, avoiding another Ferrari-priced-NSX. That's how to make Good Buisness.

 

[boodjohn]

^^ If you're blasting the Supra that much, maybe you should focus on Porsche with their Cayman and 911, or Ford with their Mustang GT and Chevy with their Camaro SS and base Corvette, how about BMW with their M4?

This car clearly fights the cars I mentioned above. The Z is lacking a lot of torque, literally ONE HUNDRED LB-FT OF TORQUE less than the Supra claim is making in terms of torque. Along with the low range availability in torque and horsepower and with the more liveliness of the inline-six and that fascinating 8-Speed ZF auto, the Supra will leave the Z and laugh itself away towards the finish line faster than the Z would. Don't forget. It will also be lighter by like 100 lbs.

Yes, I am putting the supra on blast. Any questions on that?
It took them 10 years to "co-develop" another platform for an additional 100 ftlbs of torque? +10 years? WOWOW
During and after that 10 years, I expect ( as a consumer) significant changes. Not (ohh wow wowow) 100 ftlbs of torque. Fuck that.
You know why there is an open market? For competition. Competition drives what? Innovation.
There is no innovation with the Zupra. It is a copy and paste (up to this point).
Don't worry. I brought up the Z for a reason and that was to shame it. It took BMW and toyota to bring a vehicle to subpar standards while comparing it to a vehicle over 10 decades old. Fuck, atleast give me +400/hp/ftlbs

Look at captain obvious here!


Breaking News! New Toyota supra will beat a 10 year old 370z!

Don't forget, toyota supra may be laughing crossing the finish line, but toyota will be laughing to the bank with those "car enthusiast's" money.

 

[GrayFox_MK5]

^^ If you're blasting the Supra that much, maybe you should focus on Porsche with their Cayman and 911, or Ford with their Mustang GT and Chevy with their Camaro SS and base Corvette, how about BMW with their M4?

This car clearly fights the cars I mentioned above. The Z is lacking a lot of torque, literally ONE HUNDRED LB-FT OF TORQUE less than the Supra claim is making in terms of torque. Along with the low range availability in torque and horsepower and with the more liveliness of the inline-six and that fascinating 8-Speed ZF auto, the Supra will leave the Z and laugh itself away towards the finish line faster than the Z would. Don't forget. It will also be lighter by like 100 lbs.

Lighter than 100lbs? A base/sport equipped Z comes in at 3,232lbs. So you're telling me a Supra Mk5 is coming at 3100lbs? Doubtful. I expect it to be around 3200-3400lbs. That Z4 platform/chassis isn't that light.

Also watch this if you think a Z is "slow"



Will a Supra be faster? Sure but it won't be that much faster than a 370z.

^ How about engine mods?

Is it going to be like a TRD/GRMN tune to the ECU? How about something like TRD/GRMN air filter or intake mods?

I know this sounds like I am going on a dumb tangent, but weren't the "Turbo" Supras a twin-turbocharged setup? Do you think that's possible or is that "la la land" thinking?

The Mk4 turbo came with twin turbo from the factory. What are trying to ask here? It wasn't like there was a TRD version that came with twin turbo's. There were 2 models, the NA and turbo one. TRD offered mods such as suspension bit and aero kits (a TRD wing is very popular with the mk4). I can see this GRMN version of a Supra be equivalent to a M version of a Z4 (if they make one that is). Suspension, brakes, wider track, wheels, tires and maybe a power jump to 400hp or so.

 

[Novice_Mentality]

Literally me right now haha.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

@boodjohn. You can't expect them to start innovating like you would see other car manufacturers do especially with a model that was out of production for 20 years. They can start innovating through evolution. Making a car from scratch costs way more than evolving the car. Look at some other cars, why do you think they didn't have to do platform sharing? Because they're settled in and can constantly make their car better. Progress doesn't happen in a day. I highly doubt they would release it as 335 horsepower. Definitely mid-high 300's. By the way, they weren't targeting the Z like you think they are.

If you are going to compare the Supra to the Z to "shame it" then shame the other cars too. If you continue basing your argument like that, consider it null and void buddy.

 

[Novice_Mentality]

Me right now:

 

[AHP]

Yes, I am putting the supra on blast. Any questions on that?
It took them 10 years to "co-develop" another platform for an additional 100 ftlbs of torque? +10 years? WOWOW
During and after that 10 years, I expect ( as a consumer) significant changes. Not (ohh wow wowow) 100 ftlbs of torque. Fuck that.
You know why there is an open market? For competition. Competition drives what? Innovation.
There is no innovation with the Zupra. It is a copy and paste (up to this point).
Don't worry. I brought up the Z for a reason and that was to shame it. It took BMW and toyota to bring a vehicle to subpar standards while comparing it to a vehicle over 10 decades old. Fuck, atleast give me +400/hp/ftlbs

Look at captain obvious here!


Breaking News! New Toyota supra will beat a 10 year old 370z!

Don't forget, toyota supra may be laughing crossing the finish line, but toyota will be laughing to the bank with those "car enthusiast's" money.

Well... It does have 200% more cup holders than the MKIV.... All these years later, what else could you possibly want..?

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