What is your ride height on MSS springs?

[Bug2th]

I installed the mss myself but wasn’t going for low - pretty much stock height. Just wanted something a little stiffer and want to maintain stock shocks abilities. Have verus camber plates too and they max around -3.5 for track use. Haven’t had any issues.

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[sabrownfl]

I installed the mss myself but wasn’t going for low - pretty much stock height. Just wanted something a little stiffer and want to maintain stock shocks abilities. Have verus camber plates too and they max around -3.5 for track use. Haven’t had any issues.

This is the exact setup I’m trying to run. Just was willing to pay someone for the install. Their refusal is their right. I was just looking for anyone who had issues with MSS based in the shop’a reasons for denial. I don’t want to do an install only to have problems.

Thanks for your feedback.

 

[swrdply400mrelay]

No issues, almost a year, dropped 20 mm all around.

I do know that some shops won't install parts they didn't provide, that may be a reason.

This is the exact setup I’m trying to run. Just was willing to pay someone for the install. Their refusal is their right. I was just looking for anyone who had issues with MSS based in the shop’a reasons for denial. I don’t want to do an install only to have problems.

Thanks for your feedback.

FWIW, my local independent BMW tuner shop installed mine, I didn't buy from them. They said MSS has some of the highest quality springs.

 

[sabrownfl]

FWIW, my local independent BMW tuner shop installed mine, I didn't buy from them. They said MSS has some of the highest quality springs.

They have no problem with the Verus camber plates and the pushback was strictly about the MSS kit. This is a reputable shop that has worked on my car prior. I’m keeping the shop name out of it because I have no beef with them I was just concerned about a potentially flawed spring kit.

I could do AST HAS kit from them or just do Dinan springs from them or a direct buy. Just means I’m out what I’ve already paid unless I can flip the MSS kit.

I want to maintain my option for in car adjustable damping so don’t want to go coilovers. The clovers that allow me to maintain that are a bit too pricey especiallly when I won’t really be dropping ride height.

 

[94boosted]

Well I got my MSS springs and Verus camber plates installed. The MSS Instructions are not overly helpful, thankfully there are some half decent YouTube videos that really helped.

I was trying to set a ride height that was marginally lower than OEM but I was not successful.

On the front I went ~3mm down from max height, this resulted in the front sitting ~15mm lower than stock.

On the rear I set the adjuster roughly half way, and this resulted in a ride height that's ~10mm higher than stock.

From reading through some of the the threads on this forum it sure seems like the rear does settle once you start driving it, but does anyone know roughly by how much? I'm tempted to raise the front by 1 turn and lower the rear by 2-3 turns.

Ideally I'm trying to go ~10mm lower up front and ~5-7mm lower in the back, when compared to stock.

 

[Strat-Supra]

You have to turn the rear spring, it's not sitting straight, has a bit of a bend to it. That what little triangle on the left upper perch should be toward the front of the car and about 25 degrees inward of center. The right should be pointing toward the rear with the triangle 25 degrees inward of center.

When you turn the spring with the upper perch you'll notice when its sitting better and there's no gaps between the perch and the chassis.

Yes, the springs need to settle once back on the ground, you can push down on the rear wing and it'll settle some but driving makes a big difference.

 

[94boosted]

You have to turn the rear spring, it's not sitting straight, has a bit of a bend to it. That what little triangle on the left upper perch should be toward the front of the car and about 25 degrees inward of center. The right should be pointing toward the rear with the triangle 25 degrees inward of center.

When you turn the spring with the upper perch you'll notice when its sitting better and there's no gaps between the perch and the chassis.

Yes, the springs need to settle once back on the ground, you can push down on the rear wing and it'll settle some but driving makes a big difference.

Thanks Strat-Supra, I had no idea, is there a corresponding mark on the chassis that those white triangles should line up with in the rear? To be clear, this is what you meant right?

 

[Bug2th]

Shoot. The video I used that had the most useful info was by MSS but I can’t find it now - link doesn’t work anymore but I remember there is a notch, etc. that the purches lined up with.

I had mine almost set for max height since I wanted close to stock height initially (on mine there was about 30mm space on the front spacer) and everything settled about 200 miles of twisty roads. It’ll do most of its settling after about 50 though. I need to readjust since it’s settled a bit more than stock but not too bad (I don’t like the really lowered look - throws the symmetry off between the wheel and fender - looks like shit is broke).

 

[Sscanlon]

Are there multiple iterations of these springs? I noticed the adjuster in the image above looks different from mine (circular cut outs vs square). I’ve also watched a few install videos and none show the black plastic ring that I got in the box that I assume goes on the adjuster.



One other dumb question while I’m at it, when you guys talk about -20mm and -15mm drop, is that the measurement of the distance between the 2 collars on the adjuster? Or the measurement from the fender to the ground once lowered?

Thanks!

 

[94boosted]

Are there multiple iterations of these springs? I noticed the adjuster in the image above looks different from mine (circular cut outs vs square). I’ve also watched a few install videos and none show the black plastic ring that I got in the box that I assume goes on the adjuster.



One other dumb question while I’m at it, when you guys talk about -20mm and -15mm drop, is that the measurement of the distance between the 2 collars on the adjuster? Or the measurement from the fender to the ground once lowered?

Thanks!

To measure ride height I did the following, before lifting the car, it's a decent baseline.

1. I put small dots of red paint on my garage floor where the tires are in contact with the floor (so I always park in the same spot for future ride height measurements). This might be overkill but my garage floor slopes inward due to a floor drain.
2. Measured & recorded the distance from the ground to the center of the front and rear fenders as well as from the ground to the arrows on the side skirts that show the lifting points.

 

[94boosted]

You have to turn the rear spring, it's not sitting straight, has a bit of a bend to it. That what little triangle on the left upper perch should be toward the front of the car and about 25 degrees inward of center. The right should be pointing toward the rear with the triangle 25 degrees inward of center.

When you turn the spring with the upper perch you'll notice when its sitting better and there's no gaps between the perch and the chassis.

Yes, the springs need to settle once back on the ground, you can push down on the rear wing and it'll settle some but driving makes a big difference.

That little white triangle is not in the same spot on the other side (pass side).

I used this point where the spring contacts the rubber and rotated it as you suggested; frontwards and 25° inboard of center on the drivers side and rearwards and 25° inboard of center on the passenger side and now the springs seem to sit much straighter.


This is what it looks like now.

 

[DisMahhhlon]

Does anyone else have relatively noisy MSS springs? I hear the driver's side constantly when driving slow. They've been installed a couple months.

 

[Bug2th]

What kind of sound? I had an inconsistent clunk and found one of the camber plates loose. Also, it’s good to check bolts/screws on any underbody panels - if any of those are loose you can get a lot of annoying rattles.

Does anyone else have relatively noisy MSS springs? I hear the driver's side constantly when driving slow. They've been installed a couple months.

 

[DisMahhhlon]

What kind of sound? I had an inconsistent clunk and found one of the camber plates loose. Also, it’s good to check bolts/screws on any underbody panels - if any of those are loose you can get a lot of annoying rattles.

mostly sounds like they're constantly settling. I'll get a recording next time I drive.

 

[Strat-Supra]

That little white triangle is not in the same spot on the other side (pass side).

I used this point where the spring contacts the rubber and rotated it as you suggested; frontwards and 25° inboard of center on the drivers side and rearwards and 25° inboard of center on the passenger side and now the springs seem to sit much straighter.


This is what it looks like now.

I think you need to turn it a little more, hard to tell from the angle.

This is the best picture I could get of what my driver side looks like through the wheel.

Did you use the lower OEM rubber perch? To me it caused too much compression of the spring, so I removed it. I was metal on metal for a little bit and didn't experience any issue with noise or anything. However, I did end up using isolators to not have metal on metal.

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